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Don Jorge
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Lat week we saw lots of finbacks south of Loreto in beautiful conditions. No wind for 9 days in February? That is unreal.
Driving home super bowl Sunday I think I saw that whale spouting in the waters of Coyote bay.
Throughout Conception I also saw lots of whales in bermuda shorts who apparently have evolved into wading motor home dwelling creatures with very
white skin. What a zoo!
�And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry
years. It was always that way.�― John Steinbeck
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"Nature bats last." Doug "Hayduke" Peac-ck
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
one time I saw some people shutting them with paint ball guns. and many other atrocity's.
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Context is everything. For all we know, those were government scientists marking the whales for research/preservation purposes. 
Did you by chance do any followup on that event?
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Maybe they were government scientists or green peace or something else I don't know but they were quit drunk and almost sunk there boat twice. It
doesn't make it right just because they have a title
the panga captains have rules that they are supposed to fallow but this is Mexico and you know how that gos. one rule that they brake every day is to
not get close to the whales. most of the panga captains think that they will get better tips if they get close enough for the people to touch the
whales. most of them will do what you request for a tip. I know a couple of the panga captains and I have herd some terrible stories right from them.
[Edited on 2-11-2006 by Bruce R Leech]
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Pompano
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Thar she blows!
Many faraway spouts like this one were a welcome sight here at Pt. Conception just a couple days ago. Sorry..the photo is poor...look center screen.
Note: My Nikon Coopix 4300 digital camera has taken a beating from saltwater, rough handling, etc. I have meaning to invest in a good digital camera
with the best photo quality zoom when back stateside. Any more recommendations on such a camera from you Nomad picture hounds would be helpful.
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Bob and Susan
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is that your dog on the front fishing with you?
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Sorry Pompano, when you said pale whale spouting, I thought that you meant the nalgas con pedo shot you have....please not that one!
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Fishing dogs....
No, Bob y Susan...
I cotton to Labs and Chessies. These are German Shorthairs and belong to my fishing partner, Two Dogs...(wonder who gave him that name..hmmm?)
Named Chile and Pepper, they love to go along fishing..or just anywhere. Pepper especially loves to hang out over the bow and keep a watch for
anything fishy. That dog will swim forever after baitfish in close to shore. Unusual for a shorthair to love the water so much...must be half-Lab!
Damn good guides and whale spotters.
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Pompano
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The Pale Whale Spout!
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Sorry Pompano, when you said pale whale spouting, I thought that you meant the nalgas con pedo shot you have....please not that one!
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Arrgh! Yup...you were right on, bajajudy. You know how much I yearn to post that pic again, but I dare not. Felipa has laid down the law.
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Whales
Having some trouble digesting the outcry over whale pestering from persons who are well known to yank other animals around by the lips before slaying
them and shooting still others with shotguns and rifles.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tehag
Having some trouble digesting the outcry over whale pestering from persons who are well known to yank other animals around by the lips before slaying
them and shooting still others with shotguns and rifles. |
who is that?????
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He must mean you, Bruce. Have you been pestering whales again? Your parole officer will be peeed.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tehag
Having some trouble digesting the outcry over whale pestering from persons who are well known to yank other animals around by the lips before slaying
them and shooting still others with shotguns and rifles. |
Not me. I don't have a shotgun or a rifle.
But when I was out pestering the whales, it sure seemed to me that if they ever have a problem with being pestered it won't be the whales that suffer.
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Went out to watch whales Saturday morning from Oceanside... Nada (none)! However, we did have a great dolphin show! The ocean was full of them...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hose A
Pomp get you camera.
I want to see a photo of Bruce shaking one of the whales by its lips. |
whale lips I wonder how much whale lips weigh? I wonder if they get chapped? I
wonder if they git Fat lips when you hit them? I never really thought much about whale lips.
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bajajudy
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Back to the fewer whales topic
Dick Russell, "Eye of the Whale", will be talking about the effect of global warming on the gray whales at 1:00 during our book signing Feb 18. He
apparently read the article that started this thread and is concerned that the number is decreasing.
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Bruce R Leech
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I would be interested in knowing Dick Russell opinion of people petting the whales
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Bruce, you should read his book. It is a good read.
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Here are some thoughts on migrating grays from Cabrillo Natl. Park, San Diego
"How come we don t see as many whales as we used to?"
by Park Ranger George D. Herring of Cabrillo Natl Park, San Diego.
"At the whale overlook, rangers hear it all the time: How come we don t see as many whales as we used to? Many visitors remember seeing more gray
whales from Cabrillo National Monument during the 1970 s. Are they seeing fewer whales? The answer is yes, despite an overall increase in the gray
whale population. Do we know why? No, but researchers are trying to find out.
Biology students under the guidance of Dr. Jim Sumich, a whale biologist with Grossmont College in San Diego County, observe the annual winter gray
whale migration from Cabrillo N.M. Each Monday, Wednesday, and Friday morning during the season (December -- February) you may see these diligent
biologists at the whale overlook patiently recording the direction, numbers, and behavior, of the passing whales.
2. So what did we learn? Gray whale census counts by the National Marine Fisheries Service from Cabrillo N.M. in 1979 did report more whales -- up to
40 whales in one hour during the mid-January migration peak. Today only about eight whales are visible each hour. Curiously, this drop in shore
sightings coincides with a dramatic increase in the overall population of gray whales. In 1979, 15,000 gray whales were estimated to exist. Today that
number is close to 27,000. A large percentage of whales in recent years, about 65% in 1993-94, migrate too far off the Southern California coast for
watchers to see from shore. This does not seem to have occurred in the late 1970s.
Some San Diegans believe this is because the animals are being harassed by a growing number of boaters in the waters off San Diego, particularly
whale-watching boats. Sumich, however, believes many reasons could account for the whales' behavior, including water quality changes, military and
commercial boat activity, natural shifts in migration routes, or all of the above. Nevertheless he believes that at least part of the reason is whale
watching boats. Of particular impact, he feels, is the increasing number of private vessels hoping to get a close look. Federal law does not allow
boaters to move within one hundred yards of whales (unless the animal moves closer on its own), but the rule is ignored by some boat captains. From
the whale overlook it is not uncommon to see a whale being pursued by a dozen or more boats on a busy weekend, or to see whales take evasive action to
avoid boats.
Are the boats responsible for us seeing fewer whales today than fifteen years ago? Only the whales know for sure. In the 1976 gray whale census
report, referring to San Diego, Dale W. Rice wrote that, The marked decline in the Point Loma counts (of Gray Whales) in the late 1960s was thought to
be due to harassment of the whales by increasing boat traffic, causing them to migrate farther offshore. Even considering the better weather [in
1976], the [higher than average] count at Point Loma this year is unexpected . This seems to indicate that the whales have migrated far off shore in
the past too. If this is so, perhaps we will see 40 whales an hour again soon!
The National Park Service supports long-term research efforts like the gray whale census being taken now, because good data collected over a long
period helps us better understand whale migration trends and avoid jumping to conclusions about gray whale behavior today, and tomorrow.
If you visit the park on a clear sunny morning, mid-December to mid February, you may see the passing gray whales for yourself --and develop your own
theory for why the whales do what they do."
Well, there is one theory. Now, what say you?
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Bruce,
I will make a point of asking him!
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Pompano
I believe that seeing them off shore and their going to their birthing places are different cases. They have to give birth. They do not have to go
close enough to land for people to see them.
But I will also ask Dick about this.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
Bruce, you should read his book. It is a good read. |
please u2u me the info on the book.
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