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Sorry Bruce, just trying to be legal, and understand what that will take.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I'm tired of trying to help people who think they know everything and insist that nothing ever changes in Mexico.
I told what they told me so do what ever makes you people feel good. |
Sorry, I apologize.
It is something I'll look into.
But if, as you seem to be saying, agency A requires a permit from agencyB that agency B will not produce (permits for small boats), than is not some
humor OK?
But again, I apologize and I thank you for the heads up...in fact for the many heads up in the past as well. |
OK I know it is frustrating to you as it is to me. I have had to turn away at least 47 boat permits since they started this on Jan 1.
I will keep you all informed on what I learn about this problem. as I am fighting with them on a daily bases.
please let me know what ever you find out. I have had no luck finding out how other areas are handling this. hopefully some one from Loreto or La Paz
or some where will give us current info.
[Edited on 2-14-2006 by Bruce R Leech]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Frank
Sorry Bruce, just trying to be legal, and understand what that will take. |
no problem Frank. last year over half the boat we processed were for boats under 4.5 meters.
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TOURNAMENT CONTESTANTS!!
Please check with the rules and boundaries committee on regulations, licenses, and the areas where you can fish in this contest. Some areas that I
fish and recommend that you do likewise... may indeed be out of bounds in this particular contest.
You are forewarned. Be prepared!! It's a rules and committee thing.
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mulege marv
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tip
so what im hearing is my boat permit that is still up to date is NO good without a TIP ? i can see having to get one when the permit expires but come
on. long liners in the bay all summer, shrimp boats here now, and they are targeting the boats that are entering a tournament that benefits a local
charity. well i guess it all makes perfect CENTS.
there should be a way to find out what the laws are before you get caught unintentionally violating one.
[Edited on 2-15-2006 by mulege marv]
[Edited on 2-15-2006 by mulege marv]
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Bruce R Leech
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most of the laws are available for you to read. we have some of them here. others can be viewed on line. or at the dept. of fisheries. there are many
new ones this year so it would be good to check. I would post more of them here but my typing is very slow.
I would think that the ones putting on the tournament would give out a paper with at least the new laws.
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Taking your Boat to Mexico
some of these laws have not been enforced in the past in Baja Ca. sur. but apparently now they are going to. I don't know about Baja Ca. north.
Page Map ? General Information | updated 8/30/05 Feedback Legal Info
The following guideline is based on brochures supplied by SECTUR. Reprint of those brochures is made with approval of the Mexican Consulate. Be sure
to check with SECTUR or the Mexican Consulate prior to your departure to make sure you have the most up to date information.
What papers do I need to enter my vessel temporarily into Mexico?
1. Title (lease agreement in your name if the vessel is rented).
2. Proof of citizenship or resisdency in a foreign country.
3. Choose one of the following depending on the way you entered the country:
a) Departure clearance from the original point of departure, or similar official document in the event that you enter by sea.
b) Title for the trailer (or lease agreement in your name if trailer is rented), in the event that you enter by land.
What should I do when I arrive in Mexico?
1. Obtain a Tourist Visa (FMT) from the immigration office.
2. Obtain from Customs a temporary import permit for the vessel and the trailer.
3. Pay $ 10.00 (in U.S. Currency) with an international credit card, or deposit with the Armed Forces Bank, BANJERCITO, a bond for the value of the
vessel (this procedure is applicable only when the vessel enters by sea, if you enter by land the permit for your vehicle will cover your vessel).
Remember:
In the event that you decide to return to your country of origin and leave your vesel in the care of the marina, you must return to the marina at
least once a year.
Requirements To Bring Your Boat Into Mexico
If you want to bring into the country a touring motor boat or a sailboat more than four and a half meters long (14'-6"), you must comply the following
requirements:
I. If you are going to enter by sea:
1. Upon your arrival at the first port of entry in Mexico, go to the immigration office and obtain a Tourist Entry Form for each passenger aboard, if
you had not previously obtained this form from a Mexican consulate, Mexican Government Tourism Office or embassy.
2. Proceed to customs and obtain a Temporary Import Permit, presenting the following information:
a) Vessel Ownership Title
b) Document verifying that the vessel's owner resides in a foreign country (Tourist Entry Form)
c) The credit card, bond or deposit mechanisms are three available alternatives.
II. If you are going to enter by land:
1. Proceed to the immigration office at the crossing where you enter into the country and obtain your Tourist Entry Form.
2. Proceed to customs and obtain a Temporary Vehicle Import Permit, stating on the back of said permit the following information about your vessel:
a) Vessel Ownership Title
b) Document verifying that the owner of the vessel resides in a foreign country (Tourist Entry Form)
c) The credit card, bond or deposit mechanisms are three available alternatives.
It is important to indicate that once you enter the country (whether you came by sea or by land) you will be able to proceed to a marina, and obtain a
form to register your vessel. Once this has been done, remind the marine operator to inform the proper Tax Office for the area where the marina is
located, or the Customs office at the port of entry, that your boat is registered at the marina.
In the event that you decide to return to your country of origin, and leave your vessel in the care of the marina, you must return once a year to the
marina.
If you want to bring into the country a touring motor boat or a sailboat less than four and a half meters long (14'-6"), you must comply with the
procedure for temporary import, meeting the following requirements:
1. The vessel is the property of the person residing in a foreign country.
2. Present identification verifying your nationality and a current Tourist Entry Form.
Your motor boat or sailboat can remain in the country for the period authorized on the Tourist Entry Form.
NOTES: In the event that rented sailboats or motor boats are involved, you must present proper rental agreement in your name.
The Temporary Import Permit for your car, together with the vessel information will provide legal authorization to enter your vessel into the country
until you arrive to a tourist marina.
Requirements For The Temporary Entry Of Trailers
The trailer used to transport your vessel can be imported under two conditions:
Tourist Marines Regulation which allows you to leave your trailer in the care of the marina for the length of time you desire.
Temporary Immigration Regulations, according to which your trailer can remain in Mexico for the length of your authorized stay.
You may chose the tourist marine regulations whenever:
1. The trailer is your property,
2. It is registered with an authorized marina, which shall be resposible for the same; and
3. You file through the Marina, a notice to the customs Office or the local tax collection office for the area in which the marina is located ,
stating that said trailer shall not be taken out of the country while under the care of the marina.
You should take into account that trailers brought into the country, according to tourist marinas regulations, can only travel within the national
territory while transporting said vessel, therefore, if the trailer leaves the country, so must the vessel.
In the event you want to leave your vessel in the care of a marina, but want to leave with your trailer, all you need to do is leave the vessel in the
care of the marina meeting all the tourist marina regulations, and bring the trailer under the temporary import regulations, which allows trailers to
be in the country for one month, having to be taken out of the country after that period of time.
When you bring your vessel on a trailer that does not belong to you, it shall enter the country under the temporary import regulations.
IMPORTANT
In those cases when a vessel has to be pulled by a three ton or larger tractor trailer, arrival and departure arrangements must be made with a Mexican
carrier to transport your vessel inside national territory.
In those cases when a vessel is pulled by a private vehicle owned by a tourist importing the vessel, you shall register the vessel and it's trailer on
the back side of the temporary import permit used for the vehicle, describing with precision the characteristics of both the vessel and trailer.
In those cases when a vessel is pulled by a foreign private vehicle not owned by the tourist importing the vessel, a permit shall be issued for the
vessel and trailer and a separate temporary import permit for the vehicle, using the same forms used for automobiles.
It is important to point out that the marina operator where the vessel is docked can import any parts required for its maintenance and repair.
Requirements To Sail In Mexican Waters
Arrival and Departures Upon your arrival in Mexico, if you want to sail from one port or marina to another, even if you do not leave the country, you
need to have the proper arrival and departure clearances:
I. ARRIVALS
To authorize the arrival of you vessel to a marina or port you need:
a) Coastal Sailing:
Departure clearance from the port of origin or any other legal document verifying the vessel's point of departure.
b) Open Sea Sailing:
1) A departure clearance from the port of origin or any other legal document verifying the vessel's point of departure.
2) A Health Permit, whenever so required by the proper authority, taking into account the vessel's original point of departure.*
*NOTE: Please check with the nearest Mexican Consulate if this regulation applies to you.
II. DEPARTURES
To authorize the departure of your vessel to a marina or port you need:
a) Sailing within the same port:
A verbal agreement from the Harbor Master or his representative.
b) Coastal Sailing:
1) Special form for vessel departure clearance.
2) Inspection Certificate from the vessel's country of origin or similar document to verify it.
3) Verification that there are no accounts pending at the marina.
4) Health permit, whenever so required by the proper authority, taking into account the vessel's original point of departure.*
*NOTE: Please check with the nearest Mexican Consulate if this regulation applies to you.
Regulations For Renting Your Vessel When You Decide To Leave It In The Care Of The Tourist Marina
Tourist marinas can market for profit the vessel you left in thier care as long as the following requirements are met:
a) The recreational yachts or sailboats left in their care are 4.5 meters long (14'-6") or larger.
b) The vessel is marketed through the tourist marina itself or a third party who, together with the owner of the vessel, is responsible for all fiscal
obliagations.
c) The tourist marina or authorized third party has entered into a rental agreement with the owner of the vessel.
These vessels may not be marketed without the required permits issued by the Ministry of Treasury and the Ministry of Communications and
Transportation.
[Edited on 2-15-2006 by Bruce R Leech]
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Bruce R Leech
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these are some of last years regulations this list dose not include even half of the regulations.
Mexican Sportfishing Regulations from Oficina de Pesca
In order to operate a boat that carries fishing equipment in Mexican waters, it is necessary to hold a valid boat permit and personal fishing licenses
for everybody aboard the boat, regardless of age and whether fishing or not. A fishing license is not required when fishing from land.
Only one rod or line with hook is permitted in the water, per person, but there is no restriction regarding the number of replacement items.
This fishing license allows to capture only fin fish. It does not allow to capture any mollusks or crustaceans, and their capture by anyone is
strictly prohibited. Totuava, turtles and marine mammals are under protection of the Ministry and may not be captured at any time.
To capture bottom fish, up to four hooks on a vertical line may be used.
The use of electric reels is restricted to disabled fisherman only, after written authorization from the Ministry before use.
Bag and Possession Limits
In ocean waters and estuaries the limit is a total of ten fish per day, with no more than 5 catches of a single species, except of the species of
marlin, sailfish, swordfish and shark of which only one specimen of either is allowed and which counts as five toward the overall 10 fish limit, or
dorado, roosterfish, shad or tarpon, of which only two samples of each species are allowed, and which count as five toward the overall 10 fish limit.
Limit on inland bodies of water (rivers, lakes, dams, etc.) is five fish per day, whether of a single species or in combination.
Underwater fishing is limited to five fish per day, using rubber band or spring type harpoons, and only while skindiving.
There is not limit to the practice of "catch and release" as long as the fish that exceed the bag limit be returned to their environment in good
survival condition.
Where sportfishing is conducted from boats out at sea for longer that three days, the bag limit will be the equivalent of three times the amounts
mentioned above.
Violations
It is illegal to capture and maintain alive any fish for ornamental purposes.
It is prohibited to receive any financial gain from the product obtained through sportfishing.
It is prohibited to dump trash, litter or substances that harm the aquatic flora or fauna, whether on lakes, river banks, shores or oceanic waters.
It is prohibited to collect shells, corals, sea anemones and snails, or to disturb the original ecosystem environment.
It is prohibited to practice sportfishing 250 meters or less from swimmers.
It is prohibited to use artificial lighting to attract large quantities of fish.
It is prohibited to discharge firearms in Mexican waters.
Fish caught under a sportfishing license may not be filleted aboard the vessel from which it was caught.
It is requested that all unusual activities, occurrences or record catches to be reported to the nearest Oficina de Pesca, or to its representation in
San Diego, CA., in order to ensure the preservation of natural resources for the continued enjoyment of all fisherman.
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Hook
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It seems that this is, indeed, a new rule this year
Bruce, thank you for printing out the letter of the law.
I apologize for my suspicions on this being yet another "soak the gringo" scheme.
I wouldn't, however, call my statements a disservice. I never advocated that anyone ignore the law; in fact, I accepted the fact that it would be
enforced and warned about the howling that would occur in the area.
It's hard to tell but the regs could be interpreted to EXCLUDING the need for a TIP for boats under 14.5 feet. It SEEMS to say that the basic vehicle
import stuff is good enough for them. It DEFINITELY SAYS THE TIP is for boats over 14.5 feet.
So, if the TIP is available through Customs (Aduana), then I am wondering if it is available at San Ysidro? It would be so much easier to get all the
permits in one location at the border. I am not expecting that you would know this; just wondering aloud. Also wondering if this applies to BCN.
Sounds like a good topic for a separate post. I think I'll post it shortly.
Thanks again for keeping all of us informed and I apologize if some may have interpreted my reply as a suggestion to ignore the law. Compliance is the
only course; complaining about the poor notice and confusing implementation by the Mexican Govt. is the norm. Remember the implementation of the FMTs?
I won't be in this tournament, due to work committments.
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Thanks, Bruce... for posting the fishing license and regs. info. I read it the same way on my copy.
Things have changed a little since the old days, no? It is for the best, I suspect. I recollect mi amigo Hector, an old harbor captaino, who for
years thought he was doing me a favor by telling me that I did not need a fishing license because I was his friend. I always had to go to another
town to get it... because I did not want to insult his friendship by insisting on one from him. Now I am inunadated with boat importation, multiple
person fishing licenses, registrations, fees, taxes, renewals, certificates, and permits upon permits. Like Pogo says, "We have met the enemy .. and
he is us."
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Hook
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As much as I gripe about all the permits, Pomp......
.....I pay for them.
The thing that really burns me is how difficult the Mexican Government make securing all this. Multiple copies, runs to the banks, this office, that
office, enforcement officers not allowed to issue permits, etc., etc.
Not to mention how poorly they notify the public of changes in all of the above. I just received word from someone who showed the Aduana guys at San
Ysidro his TIP and they looked at it with wonder  and callled their friends
over to see the new "gringo permit." Even the officials that are supposed to issue them are unaware.
That's Mexico.......
[Edited on 2-15-2006 by Hook]
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Pompano
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Hook...could not agree more.
It is..... Mass Confusion Time Again.
This photo always reminds me of events due to new rules and regs in Baja.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
that this importation fee nonsense is going to knock several boats out. It has NEVER been applied to gringo boats on the peninsula. Even on the
mainland, there is a free version of it if you are just coming down for a short time. Even there, there is no necessity to get the 10 year TIP. Sounds
suspiciously like a local attempt at extortion.
Boy oh boy, if they begin to enforce this off the north end of San Marcos, there will be many crying inside SLC. Plenty of boats under 14 feet in
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I guess you've never slipped at the Coral? They have ALWAYS required the TIP, even though they do the paperwork on the spot. This is also true of all
other marinas I have stayed at in Mexico.
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Hook
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I think slipping is the key
No one slips from BOLA to La Paz, and that's where most all of my boating has been.
When I towed twice to San Carlos, I cant recall paying for a TIP. It seems to me they had some other type of boat permit that was free.
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The TIP at Marina San Carlos is there, you pay for it when you register for a slip. The TIP has always been a requirement, but trailer boaters have
not had to pay for it because it's enforced in ways that do not affect them (unless they slip in a Marina). Looks like this may be changing.
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Pompano
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Tip for today is .... wear raingear....going to be windy with lots of spray from waves and swells....could be some seasick contestants. 
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Pompano
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Yellowtail first results...
First day results are:
biggest yellowtail.........31.8 lbs
Caught by 'Two Dogs' ... a boat I just happened to buy in the calcutta.
One more day to go.
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mulege marv
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but wait
thats not all the results, who's currently in second place ? oh thats right , its me ! with san marcos mike tied for third. with one more day to go
with less than ideal conditions, its all still up for grabs !
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way to go Marv! see you later today.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Awake now....
Sorry, Mulege Marv, I did not mean to exclude anyone from my 'observations' last night. It was very late and I was a little sleepy when I wrote the
last report above on the yellowtail contest. (and in need of some menudo, if you know what I mean).
So...for any Nomads interested in fishing....Here is what happened the first day.
Ist Day of 2:
(approx weights)
Yellowtail
First place..........Two Dogs Gary...............31 lbs
Second place.....Mulege Marv...........28 lbs
Third place.........San Marcos Mike....27 lbs
Biggest other species fish
I was informed this is a 29 lb grouper-type caught by San Marcos Mike.
Note: These contests are supposed to fun and so.....
There is no 'smallest fish caught' prize, but if there were it would go to ..........Marty's Boat. Nice catch, Marty!! : (Marty caught the big one last time!...and a 25 lber this time.)
Good Fishing and Bueno suerte to all!
[Edited on 2-17-2006 by Pompano]
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