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Dave
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Its been my impression that most Mexicans are too busy trying to get by to worry about the gringos. They would like all this to just go away so they
can get back to selling more tacos and chachkis.
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MrBillM
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Chads, Hanging and otherwise
I attempt to never denigrate anyone's personal abilities, but this insipid
nonsense regarding the punch card voting system puts that resolution to
the test. I have voted continuously in California since 1966, the majority
of that time using the punch card system. For the last 10 years I have voted
absentee, which means I receive a punch card with no machine to utilize.
I have never had occasion to have difficulty with that system. Anyone who
has or does is seriously deficient in reasoning abilities. Of course, that
is the voting group that the Democratic Party has traditionally targeted.
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yosemitejim
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There is not doubt that GW Bush "stole" the past presidential election. Even the ultra right wing Fox news has admitted so (see Nexus data base for
9/13/01). I personally feel that this was the greatest travesty in US history. I for one will never feel the same about the integrity of my country.
The US Supreme Court did not cite the Constitution when the 5-4 vote installed GW. It turned the legal concepts of due process and equal opportunity
upside down and only allowed the decision for this action. In short, there was no precedent (which was why the 9th Circuit overturned the 3-judge
decision regarding the California recall). Justice Bader Ginsberg refused to sign "respectfully" on the decision (gossip has it that she still
refuses to talk to Scalia). This was the first such refusal in the history of the US Supreme Court. Read the minority decision by Justice Stevens
for some real insight.
Respectfully,
Jim
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Dave
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If the democratic party had done its homework AND gotten out the vote in the other close states it SHOULD have won Florida would have not been an
issue.
SURE the fix was in in Florida. Duh...The president's BROTHER was the gov. Think the republicans are the only ones who play for keeps? Remember JKF
and Illinois?
Puleeze... keeping 60,000 poor black voters off the roles is what did it? How about the MILLIONS of white middle class democrats who didn't even
bother?
I Saw Gore on TV the other night giving the speach of his life. Preaching to the Choir. Why didn't "that guy" show up in 2000?
The ironic thing is the democrats are gonna do it again. Dean? LOL
Bush in a landslide. I'll even give odds.
By the time Ashcroft gets done you guys will have to ask permission to go to the toilet.
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Stephanie Jackter
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Well Dave,
You're probably right about the odds on this one, Dave. I wish you weren't, but the fix is always in for whoever has the most immediate power and
fundraising ability and both incumbancy and bankrolls are on Bush's side, even without a little convenient tweeking from his loving brother. So I
wouldn't bet against you.
But don't forget, while you're throwing blame around for losing the election, to remember those of us who voted for Nader. At least I'll have
somebody worth a hoot to vote for among the Dems this year, which is a damn site better than the last! Thank God fer small favors.
The only things that could get Bush out at this point are:
1- A substantial increase in body bags comeing home from overseas, or
2- Another significant downturn in the stock market.
What's amazing to me is that the loss of a couple of million jobs and trillions of dollars of debt don't mean much to people's perceptions. It's only
when those hard working (yeah, right), investors start losing their money that we sit up and take notice of the big shaft at all anymore. - Stephanie
When the goin' gets tough, the wierd turn pro
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Ski Baja
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Body bags
Don't you think that those "Body Bags" deserve ay least as much opinion as the $$ aspect ? Spoken like a true american!
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Stephanie Jackter
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Feel free to define for me what a good citizen is, J.R.
Luckily, as long as I know I am a good American, I don't have to count on your opinion of me for self esteem.
I was gonna write you back that I thought the body bags should trump the economic situation, then I thought a little more about the real casualties of
this administration.
The bottom line is that the economic situation of 2 million people out of jobs makes for a lot more body bags. They just don't get shown on TV.
There are children being orphaned every day in this country because their parents can't get adequate medical attention because they live in poverty,
so don't kid yourself. It's a very important issue.
And it certainly doesn't make me any less American than anyone else to speak about it. Have a good night. - Stephanie
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Ski Baja
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American
I didn't say "less american" I said "true american" . $$$
We do apparently agree on the fact there is "room for improvement" with the government. What could be stopped immediately is the body bag part.
Those are our relatives and friends.
The rest of the problems can be solved by voting.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stephanie Jackter
You're probably right about the odds on this one, Dave. I wish you weren't, but the fix is always in for whoever has the most immediate power and
fundraising ability and both incumbancy and bankrolls are on Bush's side, even without a little convenient tweeking from his loving brother. So I
wouldn't bet against you.
But don't forget, while you're throwing blame around for losing the election, to remember those of us who voted for Nader. At least I'll have
somebody worth a hoot to vote for among the Dems this year, which is a damn site better than the last! Thank God fer small favors.
The only things that could get Bush out at this point are:
1- A substantial increase in body bags comeing home from overseas, or
2- Another significant downturn in the stock market.
What's amazing to me is that the loss of a couple of million jobs and trillions of dollars of debt don't mean much to people's perceptions. It's only
when those hard working (yeah, right), investors start losing their money that we sit up and take notice of the big shaft at all anymore. - Stephanie
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What everyone needs to think about is the possibility of a republican super majority in the senate. The magic number is nine.
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Stephanie Jackter
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Yep. Scaaaaaaarrrreeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy.
That's when I gotta go shoot myself and just get it over with. I'm goin' to bed now. Wish me sweet dreams, Dave, instead of that kind of nightmare.
- Stephanie
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ski Baja
The rest of the problems can be solved by voting. |
People don't, then complain about the result. Stew in it.
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Bajabus
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I always vote but my brothers rarely do so this year I am getting their absentee ballots and voting for them. Ye ha I'm gonna get 3 votes against
bush.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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David K
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Yah, I hear that Dems don't believe in the one person, one vote idea...     
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Bajabus
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after the fraud of Florida it's get even time. Please don't make me puke by talking about fair.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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