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Debra
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I have Direct TV with Tivo. I got the first Tivo about a year ago, at that time they would only let you buy 1 Tivo every 6 months (why, I have no
idea) so I waited until after the 6 months and got a second one in the house....the first Tech. didn't seem to know what the heck he was doing and
tried to feed me a bunch of BS, he told me that the system wouldn't work if not on a phone line, I new this was not true since the first system worked
just fine..... NO PHONE hooked up (I didn't want a phone line across my room) ....so I sent him off and called again for a new Tech. Second Tech.
admitted (when I questioned him with common sence) that the whole phone line thing was to send "Infomercials" and they want that phone hook up so you
will be more apt to order Pay per view (I thought of it as those shelves at the grocery store check outs, in your face, you will buy. Why do you
think the charge extra for Pay per view if you have to call it in, instead of just doing it from your TV with your phone hook up? They are playing
the public, treating us like idiots. Many, Many folks have Direct TV/Dish in Baja and NO PHONE! And to the RV question, I first decided to get the
system because I was in my Moho on a extended job in San Diego, no different account was needed when I came back to the "real world" , the trick is,
that you just have to use the booklet that comes when you sign up for service (lot's of pactience needed here) and not rely on a Tech. to come and set
it up for you, first time is a "B", after that it's a snap! I had to move about every 2 weeks for an 8 month period during that job, so I became an
expert. First time took me hours, after that minutes.
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Debra
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PS: One thing that is an issue, for your local channels, you have to tell them which you want, since my primary home is Seattle, I have those (want
my local news), but, you can get whichever you want, and more than one if you chose (extra charge)
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Debra
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PS,PS......Instead of local channels I should have said the networks, NBC, CBS, ABC......
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BCSTech
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A note about receiving network channels on Dish Network. These are all on spot beams on a second satellite (110?)These spot beams cannot be picked up
very far from their local markets and don't work at all in BCS. Only the LA and NY network packages are on the main DN 119? satellite, and can be
seen from here.
This is a minor inconvenience and BCS subscribers can be set up for either the LA, NY, or both network packages.
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Debra
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Interesting......I have to ask, is this something the company is doing to block them, It would seem that it's a satellite, so if you point it right it
should pick up. 
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
Interesting......I have to ask, is this something the company is doing to block them, It would seem that it's a satellite, so if you point it right it
should pick up. |
Yes, as the man said, they are on spot beams - very narrow and aimed at the local market area. They do this for various reasons, one of which being
insufficient channels once they expand local market coverage to most cities in the entire country. They would not have enough bandwidth without doing
this - plus, they can honor the non-compete agreements they have with the local stations this way.
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BCSTech
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OK, everyone, get out your Mag lights and shine them on the floor. Turn the head and to narrow the beam. That's a spot beam just like what the
satellite does. Further away along the floor you are, the less light there is.
In Baja, we could be clear off in the next room... 
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
Interesting......I have to ask, is this something the company is doing to block them... |
Yes and no. Not
intended to block them from us but more to block them from the other U.S. Markets as Roberto said. They keep the LA and NY bundles available
nationwide to service the (U.S.) RV market.
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MrBillM
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SpotBeams
The whole reason that the Spotbeams (approx 150 mile radius in any city) for local channel packages came about was complaints and lawsuits by the
cable TV interests to force the FCC to stop allowing Satellite providers to broadcast out of market local stations that the Cable Companies could not.
The theory behind the prohibition is that local advertisers are being deprived of the full value of their ad dollars. If you're in Phoenix watching
a Chicago station, you're not about to go down to the local Chicago Chevy dealer to buy one of his cars.
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BCSTech
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And if you're in Baja watching a Chicago station, you're also probably not about to go down to the local Chicago Chevy dealer to buy one of his
cars...
BTW, I should have added earlier that you can get the Dish Network NY or LA locals if you sign the RV waiver OR if your listed residence is in a
"blacked out" area of the U.S. where you can't receive any local networks using an off-air antenna...
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MrBillM
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Funny (but Sad) story
I have had the NY-LA Network channel packages since 1995. A few years ago, ABC and Dish Network got into a spat because Dish was going to drop ESPN
Classic and ABC Family after ABC raised the price on the offerings. The two had low ratings to begin with. As part of their food fight, ABC began
challenging Zip Codes in various boondock areas, forcing Dish Network to take away the Distant ABC feed.
When I was notified I was losing ABC-NY I began a long battle with extensive research to convince Dish that I could not receive an over-air signal of
the minimum strength for the required hours. I downloaded and read the FCC publications regarding the 1998 Communications act changes. I downloaded
all three coverage area map models used by the FCC to determine signal reception and NONE showed Yucca Valley as receiving the L.A. affiliate signal.
When I received negative response from Dish, I requested a reception test. To that request, I received a "Tough Caca" letter from Dish stating that
it was their practice NEVER to make said tests and that my only recourse was a waiver from ABC-LA which I never got.
One of the disappointing changes made in the Act as passed by Congress which differed from the FCC staff recomendation was that a physical test (loser
pays) would not be a "personal" right, but could only be requested by the Provider. Screwed Again.
After Dish and ABC settled their differences (with Dish caving) I wrote both asking to have my NY station restored now that they were buddies again.
NO to that request also.
The one positive effect of that, though, was it cleared my conscience of any misgivings when, a short while later, Dish Net "Servicio Especial" was
made available in San Felipe.
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BCSTech
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Hey MrBillM,
What is that???
Is it part of one of these?:
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/espanol/index...
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MrBillM
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Mexican Service
No, that was just an inside joke about the services we "used" to get through one of many people in San Felipe and elsewhere. It all came to a sad end
with the advent of the "Yellow" Smart Cards, but it was glorious while it lasted. The choice of channels, including network feeds from around 20
cities all over the country, was truly amazing. During the last year. when reprogramming every few weeks was required, it was something of a pain but
still worth the price.
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Debra
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Mag light shining.........I'm learing,
Thank you BSCTech, and Roberto, you both put it into text what this computer dummy (also, satelitte) can wrap my brain around. Thanks
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cathart
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I NEVER order PPV, so that isn't an issue for me at all! I do love the DVR, but I guess I could even live without that for the two or three months
before we move the system to San Diego--as long as I can have it working without a phone line! I guess I should, however, keep one receiver and one TV
conected to the satelite just to make sure that the whole system is functioning from Los Angeles, right? The idea of saying the phone is disconnected
due to remodeling is a great one--I guess I could say I'm even living there, and using my cell phone for a while, or tell them I'm back and forth
between friends, and have had my phone turned off, but want TV service, just in case I'm at the house to check on things for a couple of days on and
off during July and August....
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cathart
I NEVER order PPV, so that isn't an issue for me at all! I do love the DVR, but I guess I could even live without that for the two or three months
before we move the system to San Diego--as long as I can have it working without a phone line! I guess I should, however, keep one receiver and one TV
conected to the satelite just to make sure that the whole system is functioning from Los Angeles, right? The idea of saying the phone is disconnected
due to remodeling is a great one--I guess I could say I'm even living there, and using my cell phone for a while, or tell them I'm back and forth
between friends, and have had my phone turned off, but want TV service, just in case I'm at the house to check on things for a couple of days on and
off during July and August.... |
The receivers will lose their authorization if they've been unplugged long
enough but it's a simple matter to get them running again once they're reconnected.
That DVR function... Yup, we use it all the time, too. We only have a few regular programs we like to watch, and it's great to come in at any time and
there they are... 
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