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David K
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Bruce, what is the sequence you recommend for getting an FM-3?
Say, for example... I want to live and work in Baja and have Mexican friends who would either hire me or assist me in setting up my own business?
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turtleandtoad
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Is ignoring Federal law and picking on gringos a local custom?
I'm very familiar with how the country works Bruce, as I've pointed out on my website in the very first paragraph of the page on "Border Paperwork".
And, other than a few "misguided" individuals in positions of authority, I love Mexico and will put up with them to get across the border. However,
that doesn't mean I'm going to stop complaining about them. Just like I complain about a few misguided individuals on the US side of the border on my
way back.
Do you also condone mordida and think gringos should stay at home if they aren't willing to pay up and shut up?
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rts551
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Listen to what Bruce is saying. Advice has always been to go to the closest immigration office to where you are going to live as they need to
establish an immigration file on you. Thus the need for the paper work.
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Bruce R Leech
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1 check the Mexican website
2 Do a search of this forum for all info and read and try to sort out.
3 Visit the Immigration office that serves the aria where you will be living. Introduce your self and tell them what you are doing and ask them
what you need to do to be legal in Mexico. they like this and it will get you started on a good foot with them.
4 get all your paper work in order and return to the office to complete your application
5 do not ever inter there office when you are in a hurry or if you are in a bad mood. and always treat them with the up most respect. and no
mater what hoops they ask you to jump through stay calm and never show anger.
6 do all of this your self and don't hire some one to do it . you will gain there respect. it is vary easy. think of it as adventure not a chore
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David K
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Thanks Bruce, that does sound like the Mexico I know... it is a very personal country and hand shakes still mean something there... I do know about
'Mexican Time' as well!
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by turtleandtoad
Is ignoring Federal law and picking on gringos a local custom?
I'm very familiar with how the country works Bruce, as I've pointed out on my website in the very first paragraph of the page on "Border Paperwork".
And, other than a few "misguided" individuals in positions of authority, I love Mexico and will put up with them to get across the border. However,
that doesn't mean I'm going to stop complaining about them. Just like I complain about a few misguided individuals on the US side of the border on my
way back.
Do you also condone mordida and think gringos should stay at home if they aren't willing to pay up and shut up? |
the answer to your first line is yes and if you cant live with that then you don't belong here.
the answer to your last line is now I have never paid mordida in all the years I have been in Mexico
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rts551
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"do all of this your self and don't hire some one to do it . you will gain there respect. it is vary easy. think of it as adventure not a chore "
Bruce - While we did this the first tiem, I have used someone in Santa Rosalia to organize everything for renewals since then. I always go with her
to the immigration Office and they know us well by now and understand why we do it (expediancy). They have come to visit us in Abreojos and have a
soda or beer many times as the check out the area.
I have not found hiring anyone to be a problem as long as you still interact with the officials.
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Bruce
Gringo's are not used to jumping through the hoops, and some will never learn but if you want to make life easier on yourself when dealing with
Mexican authorities you learn. All of your suggestions are very good but people have to leave that Gringolandia attitude at home.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
"do all of this your self and don't hire some one to do it . you will gain there respect. it is vary easy. think of it as adventure not a chore "
Bruce - While we did this the first tiem, I have used someone in Santa Rosalia to organize everything for renewals since then. I always go with her
to the immigration Office and they know us well by now and understand why we do it (expediancy). They have come to visit us in Abreojos and have a
soda or beer many times as the check out the area.
I have not found hiring anyone to be a problem as long as you still interact with the officials. |
be careful when hiring some one to do your papers. one trick they some times pull is to try to get you to sign a power of attorney. DON'T DO IT. do
not ever sign a Mexican power of attorney.
Bruce R Leech
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rts551
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I agree with the power of attorney. Saw a neighbor's bank account go empty. But since Abreojos is 3 hours from Santa Rosalia it is helpful to have
someone who stays up ion the local immigration office rules and acts as our secretary.
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burro bob
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Guess I'll add my 2 cents worth.
I just turned in my paperwork to get my FM 3 renewed. I also wanted to get a lucrativa "work permit" added to it. I wasn't paying attention to the
dates and I took it in on the day it was set to expire. The immigration officer had a whole office full of people. He took one look at my papers,
heard what I needed and said " come back in on Monday, ask for me, no fine, we'll take care of everything then." I went back on Monday morning but
still didn't have everything I needed for the lucrativa. I got the right paper and by the afternoon all was well and my FM 3 was on its way to Mexico
City to get ammended. The immigration officer couldn't have been more helpful.
I got the impression that they prefer you to go through a paperwork handler. The immigration officer asked why I hadn't used one this time. I had the
time before. He also informed me that he was setting up an office across from the bank to process FM 3's and other gringo specific paperwork. First it
is another $30 or $40 that goes into the hands of the Mexican citizen that is handleing the paperwork instead of the government. Second, they have to
deal with so many Gabachos that speak little or no spanish and don't understand the process, that they would rather have someone else make sure all
the necessary papers are there and filled out correctly. It makes their job a lot easier. Bruce is correct in that you will gain some respect if you
do it yourself as in suggestion #6 but only if you make sure you follow rule #5. Rule # 5 pretty much applies to any dealing with any business, bank
or government office in Mexico.
David
To get my work permit they wanted a letter from the people employing me stating what I would be doing. They also wanted a copy of the latest tax
statement from the company. This is to prove that a real taxpaying Mexican business is hiring me and not my friendly next door neighbor. That was all
the hoops they expected me to jump through.
Also if you start your own Mexican corporation then you hire yourself, along with several locals. You then start paying taxes and social security and
they like you because you have created employment opportunities. I'm not sure which comes first, the FM 3 or the corporation papers. Try to get a
lucrativa at the same time you apply for the FM3 otherwise you get to pay a second time to make the change. Even though mine was going through a
renewal it still cost more to make the change.
Also, something tells me that La Migra here in San Felipe is a lot more tollerant that in other parts of Baja.
burro bob
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I agree with you BurroBob, la Migra here in San Felipe is very accomidating. Of course, even here, they perfer you don't tell them how to run their
bussiness.
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