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shari
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Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Just a note on the "recount". there was NO recount, just a token checking of some islolated ballot boxes...where they did by the way find many
"inconsistancies" but it was decided (by the governent in power!!!) they did not warrent a full recount of all ballots....and lots of people believe
that Obrador probably got more votes. hmmmmm....sounds a bit like Florida to me.
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Baja Bernie
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I find it interesting that ALMO is asking his supporters to send money to cover his "presidential salary of $4,200.00 per month, not much over the
average working salary in Mexico.
This needs to be resolved before it devolves into many of the problems we have faced in the U.S.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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MrBillM
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Inconsistencies
Every election in any country will have ballot inconsistencies. Even recounts have had inconsistencies found in a second-recount. Because of that,
the standard is whether or not the inconsistency level was such that it would have likely affected the outcome and/or was there a pattern of organized
fraud found to exist. "X-File" conspiracy theorists aside, The number of inconsistencies found did not warrant further action.
Although it is common for the detractors to "attempt" to rewrite the history of the Florida Election in 2000, the Truth is that, even
if Goring had been successful in his challenge, GWB would have STILL been the victor. In a post-challenge recount paid for by
various media sources hoping to "discover" that Goring would have won, they found just the opposite. Only utilizing the most favorable (to Gore) of
three interpretations of so-called "ambiguous" ballots AND applying that standard to a complete Statewide recount, would Goring have
won by a narrow margin. The lawsuit in behalf of the Goring campaign would NOT have resulted in a reversal because they were not
asking for a Statewide recount, but rather only selected precincts where they felt they had the best chance. The media recount found that those
precincts would not have produced a Goring victory.
[Edited on 11-24-2006 by MrBillM]
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Cypress
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Is there a North Mexico-South Mexico on the horizon? Something like North Korea/South Korea? North Vietnam/South Vietnam?
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villadelfin
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Location: La Paz
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Paula, the mayor of La Paz is of the same party as AMLO. He called Felipe Calderon the il legitimate president and claims AMLO to be the legitimate
one. http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n76019.htm
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thebajarunner
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Location: Arizona....."Free at last from crumbling Cali
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The soapbox is back in place.... wail away, big bubba!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Very well said and I would be happy to chime in but 'The Baja Runner' just came by and stole all of my soapboxes.
Perhaps he will make a speed run to you with a few boxes so that you may continue to keep us informed. |
I just returned from Carmel to discover that I had been accused of silencing Bernie.
Nothing could be further removed from my intentions.
Get someone to help you up on the box and orate away, amigo!
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FARASHA
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Is there a North Mexico-South Mexico on the horizon? Something like North Korea/South Korea? North Vietnam/South Vietnam? |
VERY interesting considerations!
Could that really happen? or is this just spinning thoughts?
Lets assume it really would happen - what would that mean for BAJA ? Would US react ?
What influence will it have on Nomads?
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Iflyfish
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MrBillM,
That Florida election was a real piece of work. Poor overworked Harris had to both be in charge of Bush's campaign and in charge of elections in
Florida. Same story with Blackwell in Ohio. He was also in charge of Bush's election machine as well as being in charge of elections. How could anyone
question their impartiality? Hundreds tossed off the roles after Harris hired an outside company to purge the rolls. How could anyone question her
impartiality. It certainly should be absolutely clear to all that it was a fair and honest election.
By the way, who won the popular vote in that election? Who won the popular vote in Kerry vs. Bush? Question for the day: Who and how many in the Bush
administration had children working for the Supreme Court Justices who decided in favor of Bush during Bush V Gore?
After watching this come down in the US is there any questions why Mexicans could question their count? Can't imagine election fraud in either the US
or Mexico?
Iflyfish when not counting black voters purges from Florida voting lists
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villadelfin
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Location: La Paz
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The mayor of La Paz must have taken some heat for his stance Thursday. Yesterday he clarified his position saying he would continue to support his
party and Lopez Obrador but
'I also know clearly, that in spite of all the differences in the different political actors it is necessary to respect our functions, our political
convictons and principles'. 'Legally, a verdict occured,...institutionally it is necessary to work with those who defined the courts'
Cosio Castro stated that he is mayor of all and for all...and as municipal President of La Paz, will continue working with all those that of good
faith help to improve the well-being of all the paceños'
He further declared (and help me out here, Lencho or Oso, with my translation) 'With Felipe Calderon we will have action, with Lopez Obrador, policy.'
Con Felipe Caleron, haremos obras, con Lopez Obrador, Política
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Paula
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This seems like a good move on the part of Cosio Castro. One president is enough for Mexico (and sometimes one too many for the United States!).
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thebajarunner
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Location: Arizona....."Free at last from crumbling Cali
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What does popular vote have to do with it?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
MrBillM,
By the way, who won the popular vote in that election? Who won the popular vote in Kerry vs. Bush? Question for the day: Who and how many in the Bush
administration had children working for the Supreme Court Justices who decided in favor of Bush during Bush V Gore?
Iflyfish when not counting black voters purges from Florida voting lists |
Winning the popular vote is like wearing the best suit, it may be pretty but it don' mean squat (nada)
Check out the US Constitution, you will see what I mean,
as far as your comment about "black voter purges"......
It may, just possibly, balance out the dead white voters in Democratic Chicago, naaaahhh, not a chance it would be that many.
Finally, to Baja and Mexico (which is the real point) in the end the local politicos will come around- they always do. And AMLO will sit on his
haunches and howl at the moon and that will be about as far as it goes.
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MrBillM
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For Whatever It's Worth (Zero ?).
Goring and his Fourth Reich won the nationwide "popular" vote in 2000.
Bush won the same in 2004.
So What !
As already pointed out, that's not how the Constitution defined the system.
After the fact Appointed investigations determined there was NO evidence of any intentional denial of voting rights to ANY group. Had there been
actual EVIDENCE, other than the accusations printed on the various Lefty "conspiracy" Wacko sites, SOMEONE would have been indicted on State and/or
Federal charges and that didn't happen. Face it, the courts in Florida sympathized with everything else the Demis came up with. One can pick and
choose various isolated difficulties, but there were those same problems in Bush Strongholds, too, including the Panhandle area of Florida AND the
Military Absentee voting.
GET OVER IT. The Horse you're beating has been DEAD for quite awhile now. Only when a bunch of you in the Choir get together and trade talking
points does any of it seem to make sense. Your whining is childish and pointless,
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OK, let's now get back to the HARPO, I mean AMLO, Vaudeville act.
[Edited on 11-25-2006 by MrBillM]
[Edited on 11-27-2006 by BajaNomad]
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