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Barry A.
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cononaco-------
-------yes-----and your point is------------------------?
"Location: Spahn Ranch" ??????? Isn't that where Manson and the crew hung out during their murdering days??????
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David K
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If you have room to haul it IN to camp, you should be able to haul it out, empty is even easier!
Paper trash can be used to help start campfires or can be burned, but all bottles, cans, plastics can be hauled out to the city... best if returned
back to the U.S. where we have the better waste desposal systems.
Baja Bus... I am really, really surprised at you! But, I do understand your
logic...
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Bajaboy
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DK-
Just curious why you think we (the U.S.) has a better waste disposal system. I'm under the impression that trash biodegrades faster above ground than
below ground. Also, there is plenty of trash on our highways and streets so maybe there is a problem north of the border as well.
Zac
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Barry A.
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Bajaboy------
I am not sure where you live, but I see very little trash along the roads all the places I travel in the USA. I live in the far north part of
California, but often travel to San Diego and El Centro.
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pargo
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A touchy subject trash is. No one good answer. I agree, as someone mentioned earlier, this is an area where the goverment needs to get involved
heavily and with no exceptions. All we can do in the meantime as individuals is not to leave trash scattered on streets etc..and dump where your
particular location deems appropiate (community dumps, pemex and the like) or bring back to U.S. as much as possible. Finally to Bajaboy was it?...Our
disposal system here in the U.S. has done a tremendous job. Our streets and highways don't look anywhere near what they used to look like...believe
me. Those are tax dollars well spent.
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David K
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Yah, no kidding pargo and Barry...
Zac, you are kidding, right? There is no comparison... Waste management is a science in the U.S. and with all the eco-nuts we have, how could you
think that leaving garbage above ground (where disease is easily spread) would be allowed here. The next thing I guess will be to stop burrying people
when they die so they too will biodegrade faster!!
Even without eco-nuts, how many 'normal' people in the U.S. (or most modern countries) would tolerate trash all over the countryside?
I bet pargo is old enough to remember our highways in the 60's, as I do...
We have come a long way in the U.S. ... Mexico is 40 years behind us in many ways. However, it is none of our business to tell Mexico what to do, but
we can lead by example... Throwing trash out you car window is NOT good and just plain wrong.
[Edited on 1-3-2007 by David K]
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Bajabus
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David, aluminum cans are not trash.....they are money....look on the sides of the road. Do you see many aluminum cans? It is a waste to throw them
out with the regular trash.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Sharksbaja
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Trash or treasure
I'd say our roads here are some of the worst in the country and lacks the taxes to repair but the trash is always picked up. Many of our roads are
picked up by corrections inmates and I see many people looking for aluminum cans regularily.
I was amazed to see a number of shallow arroyos cleansed of their wealth of trash and garbage by hurricane John. Hmmm, I wonder where it all
went???
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Capt. George
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eco-N-zis, the "N" word, Jewfish in Florida, Jap Rd in CA...
jeez, give it a break.
How could the use of a word, any word, trivialize anything as groteque as the Holocaust??? Much ado about nothing!
I grew up in the city (THEE CITY) the racist name calling there and then would make your hair fall out. Thank goodness that has diminished to todays
more civilized standards....but agiain we seem to make too much of certain words. Get over it.
Can't wait to be bombarded by you left wingers...bring it on! Capt George
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Capt. George
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Dave,
I grew up in Middle Village in NY. The neighborhood was a combo of German/Irish, Italian and Jews. My dearest friend growing up lost a good part of
his family in that nightmare....they did not carry it around with them nor did they use it to flog themselves or the people around them.
I knew and was either a friend or customer of men and women that still had numbers tattooed on their arms. They took less offense at certain words
then what goes on today in our "oh so fake" society.
I take offense at anyone thinking I lack compassion for those poor unfortunates caught up in that period of horrid history. I lived with & talked
to (and about) the people that went through it..
Capt George
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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jerry
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i was born and lived till i was 14 in the no so politacal correct town by the name of Whitelaw wisconsin and no one seems to care about changing that
towns name me included
jerry and judi
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pargo
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How'd we go from trash to N-zis?....Oh wait, I get it...trash=N-zis
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Summanus
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My college roomate's grandmother was a survivor of the concentration camps in WWII...with the tatooed numbers on her forearm..or so my friend, Shelly,
told me. I never saw them myself, because in the four years I knew him and his family, his grandmother never came downstairs when there was a
stranger in the house. I cannot fathom what horror was in her mind.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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Cypress
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Every time the term "Red-Neck" or "Trailer Park Trash" is uttered it puts me into a catatonic state and I seek professional help. What's with people that cling to negative experiences??
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, no kidding pargo and Barry...
Zac, you are kidding, right? There is no comparison... Waste management is a science in the U.S. and with all the eco-N-zis we have, how could you
think that leaving garbage above ground (where disease is easily spread) would be allowed here. The next thing I guess will be to stop burrying people
when they die so they too will biodegrade faster!!
Even without eco-N-zis, how many 'normal' people in the U.S. (or most modern countries) would tolerate trash all over the countryside?
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So are you condoning the work of environmentalists now? Pretty brave move on your part. Without them, we might still be dumping toxics into our
waterways and turning our heads to sewage runoff. I am old enough to remember the smog alerts of California and those enviromentalists who pressed
for more stringent auto emissions. Anyways, back to the point....
I do agree with you David about our country not tolerating above ground dumps. But my point was that trash will decompose faster above ground than
below. I did not make any judgements as to which was better.
Just wanted to clarify that I was not kidding.
Zac
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bajalou
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Read reports on land fills that have stuff that has not decomposed in 20 years when sealed underground and wouldn't have lasted 3 months above ground.
Sealing it away in landfills is a good way to hide it - not dispose of it.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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Sharksbaja
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Interesting statement Bajaboy
Bioremediation can be accomplished through many means. I have a friend that raises mycelium that helps break-down inorganic compounds in city dumps.
He also raises strains that utilize organic substances like cardboard and paper. Heat like in the desert certainly removes the water in something but
garbage can exist for centuries in some dry places.
For instance, abandoned autos in the PNW rust and decompose very fast whereas the same vehicles left to the forces of the arid SW could remain intact
for decades if not longer.
With that said, one also must consider other factors at work. Looking at items recovered from deep cold seawater can give you an idea of how
temperature,chemical and biological degradation work together. If the water was warmer you would see faster action.
Still, water is the greatest solvent and tool for breaking down stuff naturally. Well, except for maybe volcanoes.
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Sharksbaja
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Ok Lou, that's true but landfills can decompose stuff faster the UV could destroy the same item. Although when you talk about most plastics, I would
concur.
Hey, aren't we suppose to reuse plastic????
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MrBillM
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Exposed to the Effects of Nature
Well, the Zoroastrians always disposed of their dead by placing them in high open towers for the creatures and elements to pick clean, but the numbers
today would be a Whole lot higher. It would probably make each town an especially Aromatic experience.
I've made the point numerous times that I don't think "words" can hurt. Anyone who feels pain because someone used non-PC terms is simply TOO
sensitive.
As far as some of the more offensive words in our new PC world, I remember years ago when I was a bystander in a conversation between a few of the Old
Bats working at GTE. They were discussing a particular "nut" (Brazil Nuts) that they knew all their lives as "******Toes" and wondering what they
were called nowadays. They called on one of the younger female clerks working there who was Black and asked her about it. Her reply was "I've never
heard them called anything but "******toes". I note that references say they are still referred to as such, although I doubt anywhere in the U.S. of
P.C.
When Agatha Christie first published her novel "Ten Little Indians" in England, it was titled "Ten Little ******s". The British tended to refer to
anyone of dark skin as such.
In the late 60s, I went into an Auto Body shop in South L.A. to get an estimate on repairs to my car. Everyone there (except me) was Black. The
owner of the shop asked me if I'd been hit by a "******Man" or a "WhiteGuy". Growing up in South L.A. from birth, I heard that word time and again,
usually from a Black.
I remember being sent down to the hardware store as a child by my uncle to pick up some "JewNails" (corrugated Joint nails). I believe the reference
had to do with their crooked configuration.
The funny thing was that no one seemed to get riled up or collapse in misery. Somehow, we all survived living side by side.
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Capt. George
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You said the N word, you said the N word, goin ta jail, goin ta jail, racist, racist, you said the N word!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my God, Mr Bill, what have you done..I must go take mt P-P-Prozac.
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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