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David K
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Punta Final is not in Baja Sur, but that isn't the point since beach driving is 'illegal' in all of Mexico's beaches...
The deal is that Baja away from the cities or other population centers is desolate... no people, no body is hurt, no turtle eggs in the northern gulf.
Beach driving is the only way to reach some camp spots either because there is no land other than beach (like my Shell Island) or the desert prevents
it and as ursidae69 says, making a new road across the desert is far more harmful than driving on a beach (no harm at all).
Not making any excuse, but beach driving between San Felipe and Puertecitos or to Punta Final from Alfonsina's has been a way of life for nearly
everyone who has visited or lived in those areas since the first autos arrived 50 years ago!
I would support a ban on beach driving in front of cities like Rosarito Beach where there is far too many people and drunks behind the wheel!
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larry
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palapa at campo beluga
I have tried repeatedly to post an 11kb photo. If it doesn't show up here, can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?
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Hook
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Larry, you need to increase the size to closer to 45kb. Very low res rendition.
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Cameron
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Beach Driving...
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Punta Final is not in Baja Sur, but that isn't the point since beach driving is 'illegal' in all of Mexico's beaches...
The deal is that Baja away from the cities or other population centers is desolate... no people, no body is hurt, no turtle eggs in the northern gulf.
Beach driving is the only way to reach some camp spots either because there is no land other than beach (like my Shell Island) or the desert prevents
it and as ursidae69 says, making a new road across the desert is far more harmful than driving on a beach (no harm at all).
Not making any excuse, but beach driving between San Felipe and Puertecitos or to Punta Final from Alfonsina's has been a way of life for nearly
everyone who has visited or lived in those areas since the first autos arrived 50 years ago!
I would support a ban on beach driving in front of cities like Rosarito Beach where there is far too many people and drunks behind the wheel!
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OK, just playing "Devil's Advocate" here. David, what exactly are you saying? In your opinion, is it OK to drive on the beach, and if so, under what
circumstances?
While reading posts here over the last couple of years, I've seen people "flamed" for suggesting (illegal) activities such as using a 2-meter radio
without the proper license, packing handguns, etc.. The Baja Nomads "terms of use"/board policy discourages any promotion of ANY illegal stuff, and
yet the whole beach driving thing has been ignored by almost all Nomads as far as I can tell. I guess I'm curious to know why some activities are
frowned upon while others seem to be "OK" in the eyes of many.
Cameron
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David K
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What do you have against driving on sand... if no animals are harmed?
What I am saying that driving on a Baja beach is a means of transportation and has been since before any lawmakers 2,000 miles or more away made the
rule.... probably with Acapulco or Veracruz in mind.
Mexican fisherman daily drive the beaches of Baja to retreive their nets, fishing boats, selling drinks, etc.
As said above, the beach renews itself twice a day with high tide and with wind... There is no reason not to be able to drive to where one wants to go
if no animals or people are harmed... if that is the means to get where you want to go.
[Edited on 2-22-2007 by David K]
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David K
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Not promoting an illegal activity, just making the facts known as they apply near San Felipe, which is in no way like Todos Santos... I don't suppose
you plan on banning anyone who talks about driving over 55 MPH (80 KPH) on Hwy. 1 which is also an illegal activity...
Here is a photo from Monday...
[Edited on 2-22-2007 by David K]
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David K
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You will note what a beautiful beach that is... why I have been going there for 30 years... You would think that I am the only one driving on that
beach... scarring it forever, perhaps?
You are seeing these beautiful photos because I drove there to take them, by the way.
[Edited on 2-22-2007 by David K]
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David K
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Here is the same beach the night before, just above the high tide line... as many tracks where on the sand where you saw my truck... but the tide
erases them, twice a day!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by larry
I have tried repeatedly to post an 11kb photo. If it doesn't show up here, can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong? |
Larry have the photos beteen 30-45 kb... this one at Beluga is at 37 kb
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Crusoe
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David.......Will you say where that beach is where you took that photo and you have been going to for 30 years?? Absolutely beautiful shot. Thanx
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David K
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Yes, no secret... just don't leave any trash behind!
It is 'Shell Island' (others call it Shell Beach, but there already is a place called that in Baja and this one actually becomes an island at high
tide).
The access road is at Km. 26 south of San Felipe, 3 miles south of Percebu.
4WD only.... can't be nervous about driving through sea water... and tires need to be deflated 50% or more to float on the sand which has a high
percentage of crushed shell so easy to bury into! See my Part 4 of my trip report. posting tonight!
[Edited on 2-22-2007 by David K]
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ursidae69
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I appreciate the information on the legality of driving on the beach. I will consider this on future trips and avoid it where I can. When I cannot
avoid it, I will be on the lookout for any turtles. I have not been to Baja in the summer when the nesting season is going on. In the meantime I
suggest people put more effort into bigger threats to turtles such as humans eating them.
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Crusoe
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David........Thanks so much for sharing. Ive seen it before from a distance.It looks like the sand gets almost the same color as the crushed
shells.Lots of the beaches around La Paz and east ( Tecolote) have this same high ratio of sea shell . It makes them so brilliant. Promise to leave no
trash.Would like to vosit there in May. Thanx.......
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Crusoe
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David........Thanks so much for sharing. Ive seen it before from a distance.It looks like the sand gets almost the same color as the crushed
shells.Lots of the beaches around La Paz and east ( Tecolote) have this same high ratio of sea shell . It makes them so brilliant. Promise to leave no
trash.Would like to vosit there in May. Thanx.......
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bajapablo
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beluga
here' s a picture of the 2 story palapa at beluga
\"changes it lattitudes, changes in attitudes\"
J.Buffet
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bajapablo
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beluga
this was beluga in june of 04
\"changes it lattitudes, changes in attitudes\"
J.Buffet
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wilderone
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It's not just the turtles. Access roads through dunes; access roads through coastal flora are a breakdown of the totality of the ecology, which also
includes Least tern and killdeer habitat (or other bird species requiring sand duffs for nesting), as well as all of the other animal species which
depend on the dunes and flora where they live, which in turn, play a part in larger bird and animal species' lives as food, etc., etc. It's a
sensitive balancing act and should not be damaged or polluted. You can explore all these areas to your heart's content without driving a vehicle over
them.
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David K
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Agree, the beauty of a place includes the plants and animals. Never blaze a new road through virgin desert or over shrub topped sand dunes.
There already is a network of roads in Baja that go to thousands of interesting places.
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ursidae69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
It's not just the turtles. Access roads through dunes; access roads through coastal flora are a breakdown of the totality of the ecology, which also
includes Least tern and killdeer habitat (or other bird species requiring sand duffs for nesting), as well as all of the other animal species which
depend on the dunes and flora where they live, which in turn, play a part in larger bird and animal species' lives as food, etc., etc. It's a
sensitive balancing act and should not be damaged or polluted. You can explore all these areas to your heart's content without driving a vehicle over
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What's the world coming to, we have greenies lecturing greenies!  In all
seriousness, I tread lightly every where I go, even Mexico, with the exception of a little beach driving to get me to a destination. The comments are
noted though, thanks.
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baja829
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TO DAVID K -- OOPS - wrong side of Baja. There is a Punta Final south of Gonzaga on the Sea of Cortez side - that's the one I was referring to - it's
a favorite place and when I saw the name Punta Final, I just jumped in without thinking. Sorry
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