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MrBillM
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The Kid
She's my youngest Pooch. Baja Native Sixteen months now and filled with energy and curiosity. If we don't spend enough time with her on the Beach
each day, she goes back down by herself to swim and kill Crabs.
Reverting to the theme of this thread, no matter what your position is on the Immigration question, I think that reasoning people can understand the
suspicion that most feel regarding "Promises" by the Government. A fear on both sides was that only those provisions of the Bill that the
Administration (whoever that might be) felt like enforcing would be enforced. The lack of FIRM benchmarks made the whole thing suspect. I agree with
those in the Senate who later said that we should address the various aspects with separate pieces of legislation unburdened by various unrelated
amendments.
As I said earlier, the problem with this legislation was that it was cobbled together in order to take the Immigration issue out of the upcoming
election because both sides were unsure of how it would play in individual races. That cynical motive created this mess.
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Bajafun777
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Well, some of the latest information coming out is that the compromises are close or are they really??? Now, the real biting issue is the cost to our
social security system that is already almost bankrupt. It seems like each of the 12 million or 20 million, depends on who's stats you look at, would
be entitled to all our system of goverment has to offer immediately and would be about $400,000 per immigrant over the next 20 to 30 years. About 3
trillion in tax dollars needed so who but the good old middle class would put up the tax dollars. The gross economic increase of their labor will not
out run this cost. Think about it all of the these immigrants that are mostly very low economically are entitled to all of our governments welfare
programs which according now to Washington is about 60 programs, does that not make your head spin, Medicare, and again Social Security whether they
paid in or not if they are 65 or disabled the check will cometh. If they were gang members but now renounce their membership they can stay and they
only get booted if they were convicted of a felony so misdemeanors do not count, isn't that something also. If the Immigration Judges had ordered
them deported but they are not yet over the border they immediately are let go and open to citizenship this is about 600,000 people according to
Washington. If this bill is not stopped in its present form get ready for your taxes to shoot up another 10% or more to offset the costs when the
real true numbers start coming to light. This is just a bad immigration bill in its present form, We simply can not afford it.
Later--------------------------bajafun777
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MrBillM
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Saving Face or CYA !
The consensus among those professionals observing the process is that it's at least 90 % Dead. The "crew" who cobbled this together are making noises
about not giving up, but (except for Kennedy) it's just Lip Service. Kennedy's a diehard believer and I'm sure he's plotting away. Lindsey Graham
and John Kyl were taking a beating back home so they're probably glad to see it go. Never underestimate Harry Rex, though, he may try another end
run. It is unlikely, though, because the House members who oppose this legislation have grown.
Never say Never in Politics, but this one looks pretty moribund right now.
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MrBillM
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Dead Again (for the last time ?).
Earlier in the week it was looking pretty Dark after Lord Darth Vader (Teddie) resurrected the moribund legislation and GWB did some arm-twisting.
After the "Backdoor" Cloture deal and the agreement to debate a limited number of amendments, it seemed that they'd win the final cloture vote today.
As late as yesterday afternoon, passage was predicted.
However, the heat from home proved fatal and they couldn't even get a Majority vote, much less the 60 votes needed, losing 46-53.
This may have been the final defeat for this election cycle.
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toneart
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MrBillM,
I have to say, I agree with your analysis regarding the demise of the Immigration Bill. (did I say that)?
I do wish though, that you would not misplace the identity of Darth Vader. Everyone knows the real Darth Vader is the one whom Bush fronts for (even
though he is not a member of The Executive Branch). 
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