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Hook
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How bout our good senators get to work now on repealing the law that grants children of illegal aliens, full citizenship status. It' not practical to
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That would require an Amendment to our Constitution---unless Cheney can find another way around it. 
Besides, lots of countries grant citizenship to someone born within the country. One of our cousin's boys is a citizen of the US---via his
father---Columbia---via his mother---Spain--where he was born.
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Were they legally in the US, though? That's the key......with other countries, as well.
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Anchor babies are such a small part of the big picture. A flea on an elephants butt.
What matters most, at this point, is to stop the bleeding at the border.
We can learn a way to deal with the illegals in place.
Amnesty had better not happen but, what do we do?
Lets forget, for the moment, about what we have brought upon ourselves and concentrate on what we don't want more of. Lets scream and yell about a
controlled border. If we can be in charge of our perimeter, we may have some idea of how to take control of the rest of our country.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
Do any of you "NOMADS" think you live in a free "SOCIETY"????? If you do, you have been on some sort of "Dumb Medication" to long..........The key
word here is....... EXECUTIVE PRVILIDGE........ Dick Cheeney and George Bush will do anything they dam$ well please...... peroid. C
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Right next to our "Impeach Cheney First" bumper sticker is one that says "Ignore your Rights and They Will Go Away"
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Hook
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I disagree completely, Dennis. They are NOT a small part of the big picture because:
1-anchor babies are a huge part of the motivation for many illegal immigrant women.
2-the problem can multiply exponentially once they are here. Try stopping the breech sometime if you think a border is hard to close?
Taking away motivations to cross is cheaper than building a fence.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
How bout our good senators get to work now on repealing the law that grants children of illegal aliens, full citizenship status. It' not practical to
make it retroactive, but how about moving forward? |
That would require an Amendment to our Constitution---unless Cheney can find another way around it.
Besides, lots of countries grant citizenship to someone born within the country. One of our cousin's boys is a citizen of the US---via his
father---Columbia---via his mother---Spain--where he was born.
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Were they legally in the US, though? That's the key......with other countries, as well. |
Hook,
The 14th Amendment is very clear in stating that all persons born in the United States are citizens. However, I suppose like everything, that could
change.
Afterall, the 14th Amendment is the first time gender is specifically addressed in the Constitution. It refers to males. Thus, up until 1922, women
born in the US who married foreigners lost their citizenship. Even if the foreigner was legally living in the US, the wifes citizenship was based on
the husband's. The children were basically under the father's citizenship untill they reached adulthood at which time they could chose.
We really don't have a problem with those born here being citizens. We agree with Dennis, it is not a huge problem, except for the separation of
family issues.
We both used to be in favor of open borders, but not so much anymore for many reasons. Amnesty? Mixed feelings on that one. Secure borders? Yes,
probably a good idea---all borders, not just the southern one. Also, from what we have read, the majority of undocumented people in the US crossed
the border legally---student, work, day, visa, etc.
No easy answers.
John and Diane
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And then what?
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Have we made the slightest effort to enforce the laws on the books prohibiting employment of illegals? |
Would everyone just pack up and head south?
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Executive privelige is just that.
Power abuse is just that.
Cheney/Bush have been called dictators by most everybody in the freakin world. Everybody except us because we are so apathetic that we have lost our
soul. We have no sense of right and wrong. We just follow our elected idiots. We don't care what they say. We don't care what they do. We just
want to live our very private lives and leave all that nasty nonsense to them.
We are the problem.....not the politicians or elected leaders. We let them do what they do.
Then, we vote them in again.
We are reaping what we have sown.
What now, folks?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
No easy answers.
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Nope. None. Thats because congress won't drop their personal agendas and do what is necessary for the well-being of the country. I get this
picture of a hundred senators standing on a bluff in the face of a strong wind, trying to take a leak. I can only wish that would happen.
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Oh yeah ---
I guess Hillary will have to be propped-up from the rear to get that angle. Probably wouldn't be the first time.
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DENNIS
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Im doing stand-up to an empty room, huh.
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The Gospel according to Saint Anne
Watching Ann Coulter a few minutes back, she had a three-point answer to the Immigration fiasco.
Point Three was MASSIVE Employer sanctions. Asked for an example, she said "Give the Illegal Alien Standing to sue the employer and collect punitive
damages for violating employment law, including the minimum wage law".
See how many employers are willing to hire on the sly if being caught would bankrupt them.
The one downside is that it would be a boon to the gutter-crawling lawyers, but we could live with that.
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DENNIS
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Ann Coulter is nuts. Probably has a couple as well.
Her out-of-touch statements remind me of Nancy Regan when she said that she couldn't understand why people were homeless because all they had to do
was buy a condo.
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What law did Bush and Cheney break? What legal expert said they did? Every president has had those who say he broke this law or that law. After
watergate congress (mostly Dem.) passed laws to reduce or control the presidents power and after 911 congress (mostly Rep.) passed laws that gave him
more power. Only when the Supreme Court decides an issue is it settled at least for the time being. If your upset about the wire taps, I don't have a
problem with the gov. tapping some overseas phone call without a court order, especially if it's to a country where terrorist are. That's an issue
lawyers can argue about.
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Impeach Cheney? On what grounds? Payback for the Clinton impeachment? Dream on.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
What law did Bush and Cheney break? What legal expert said they did? Every president has had those who say he broke this law or that law. After
watergate congress (mostly Dem.) passed laws to reduce or control the presidents power and after 911 congress (mostly Rep.) passed laws that gave him
more power. Only when the Supreme Court decides an issue is it settled at least for the time being. If your upset about the wire taps, I don't have a
problem with the gov. tapping some overseas phone call without a court order, especially if it's to a country where terrorist are. That's an issue
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Forget the finite wording of the law. We don't live by the exact stink and smell of the interpretations, which have no end. We live by the
consequenses.
Are you supporting this administration in their lies about WMD?
Are you saying we live in a safer world for our entry into the Middle East?
Are you saying democracy is for everybody?
Do you think implementing our system in Iraq has been worth the thousands of lost lives... for nothing?
Your support of these tyrants tells me you believe all of this.
How can you?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Ann Coulter is nuts. Probably has a couple as well.
Her out-of-touch statements remind me of Nancy Regan when she said that she couldn't understand why people were homeless because all they had to do
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Ah yes, let them eat cake!
Sadly, however, Marie Antoinette probably never actually said that, but she could be excused in some ways out of being totally ignorant---not stupid,
just ignorant.
Ann Coulter, on the other hand, should replace the cross around her neck with a $.
Nancy Reagan was so out of touch--her just say no to drugs was so without reality.
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DENNIS
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Ah yes, let them eat cake!
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Actually, Nancy said she said, "Let them eat Krispy Kreams."
Such an understanding woman. I suppose we can be thankful that Ronny's adminstration wasn't in place in the 90's. Nancy might have been a
presidential candidate.
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Junior and DICK are now, finally, irrelevant. As it's turning out, they're the best thing that ever happened to the liberal cause.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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Ah yes, let them eat cake!
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Actually, Nancy said she said, "Let them eat Krispy Kreams."
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That was right along with Ronnie's Jelly Bellys!
More sugar, please, and let's come to an agreement, said Ronnie.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Junior and DICK are now, finally, irrelevant. As it's turning out, they're the best thing that ever happened to the liberal cause.
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OH, we hold our breath.
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