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docsmom
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FTD,
Thanks so much for your offer to help. Check your U2U.
Everyone,
Thanks for your comments/suggestions. I live in Las Vegas, might gamble a bit from time to time, but not going to bet against the Mexican
authorities. It's just not worth the risk over $50.
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Tomas Tierra
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I got pulled just the other day in TJ.follow me down to the station and pay the $144 fine. I know the price is BS because of info on this
board..Thinking of timing, subjecting my Wife and 19 month old son to hanging in downtown TJ, I asked to pay on the spot. The moto cop asked how much
I wanted to pay. I said how about $20? He laughed. I told him I had $100 and needed to fill up for $50 and $10 for In n Out and all I could give him
was $40..He took it "wrapped up tight and handed to me down low"..
I thought it was $ well spent considering the situation..Took about 10 mins and I was on my way....
Was I speeding? no. Did i have surfboards on the roof?Yes Was it the right thing to do?? anyone??
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tjvagabundo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Was I speeding? no. Did i have surfboards on the roof?Yes Was it the right thing to do?? anyone?? |
Giving into their intimidation is never the right thing to do.
Usually if you insist on seeing the judge after a while they will give up and move on to search for their next victim. If the cop has to take you to
see the judge then he won't be making any money.
Be respectful to the officer and ask to be taken to see the judge.
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bancoduo
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After being stopped many times, one time I decided to call their bluff. I demanded to go to the police station. I had to surrender my driver license
and registration, then they told me to follow them too the station. Started following them, when their red light and siren came on and they were gone.
ESTUPIDO GRINGO. NO MAS!
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Minnow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bancoduo
After being stopped many times, one time I decided to call their bluff. I demanded to go to the police station. I had to surrender my driver license
and registration, then they told me to follow them too the station. Started following them, when their red light and siren came on and they were gone.
ESTUPIDO GRINGO. NO MAS! |
Do you have those Cop's names.
So I can go give them a HIGH FIVE!
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bancoduo
After being stopped many times, one time I decided to call their bluff. I demanded to go to the police station. I had to surrender my driver license
and registration, then they told me to follow them too the station. Started following them, when their red light and siren came on and they were gone.
ESTUPIDO GRINGO. NO MAS! |
I'm holding off my judgement of what degree of estupido....until I hear what became of your license & registration that you'd surrendered!
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Alan
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Putting an end to mordida is a noble idea but not very practical. Do we get stopped for bogus violations? You bet. Mine was for speeding through
Constitution last month (while following a hay truck over topes and a stop sign on every other corner. I guess I never realized how fast those hay
trucks could accelerate)! But for someone whose spanish is pretty much limited to - taco, cerveza and pescado what is the chance I could explain the
circumstances to a judge. Do you really think they have to provide an interpreter for me like we provide them here in the Estado Unidos? How do you
say Hay Truck in Espanol?
Finally after 20 minutes of haggling and finally agreeing to go to the police station the cop finally gave up and came right out and said Okay, How
much? I gave him $20 and was on my way.
[Edited on 8-5-2007 by Alan]
[Edited on 8-5-2007 by Alan]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Was it the right thing to do?? anyone?? |
No. It wasn't right but, it was expedient.
We come to Mexico and so often cry and complain about the street justice system. The corrupt police. The bribery. What lost words. We are an
integral part of the system because it's usually more self serving to be expedient and pay the fine on the street.
It's the wrong thing to do but, for reasons of our own, we choose to justify our actions as in the best interest of all involved.
So.... Who's corrupt and who's dishonest and immoral and at fault for the healthy life of a predatory legal system? Is it the police or is it us?
I say, we make a good team, in the name of expedience.
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Bob and Susan
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good words dennis....
tom...you became a criminal as soon as you offered the money...
welcome to the "dark side"
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MrBillM
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Criminal Behavior
The thought of all of those Gringo Criminals running around free who have offered bribes to civil employees is almost too much to contemplate. They
should be hunted down and jailed for introducing corruption into the upstanding and pristine civic environment of Mexico.
I am proud to say that I've NEVER offered anyone in Mexico a Bribe. I HAVE frequently paid inspecting officers what THEY determined I should pay.
They're the experts. I TRUST that they are acting correctly. When told by a police officer that I must pay a fine, I also HAVE, many times, politely
asked if it was possible for the officer to pay my fine at his convenience so that I might save time and not have to detour. I'm
Sure that, in all cases, the officials involved acted responsibly.
They all seemed to be very pleasant and honest people.
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DENNIS
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MrBill........
You, sir, are The Grand Justifier. You don't have to offer. The contract will develop without a tacky suggestion from you but, you know that.
Besides, MrBill, offering is part of negotiation. Paying is selling what's left of your rightous soul. I would venture a guess that we, most of us
anyway, are all soulless.
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The thought of all of those Gringo Criminals running around free who have offered bribes to civil employees is almost too much to contemplate. They
should be hunted down and jailed for introducing corruption into the upstanding and pristine civic environment of Mexico.
I am proud to say that I've NEVER offered anyone in Mexico a Bribe. I HAVE frequently paid inspecting officers what THEY determined I should pay.
They're the experts. I TRUST that they are acting correctly. When told by a police officer that I must pay a fine, I also HAVE, many times, politely
asked if it was possible for the officer to pay my fine at his convenience so that I might save time and not have to detour. I'm
Sure that, in all cases, the officials involved acted responsibly.
They all seemed to be very pleasant and honest people. |
I didn't know you had a sense of humor.
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MrBillM
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Righteous ?
I don't think that, ever in my life, have I used THAT adjective in reference to myself.
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DENNIS
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Well, if you have no soul, you have no need.
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MrBillM
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Soul Man
I'm hoping when the time comes, that St. Peter is on a break and a Mexican is taking his place.
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DENNIS
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You mean the Mexican is going to be guarding the fence? That's a switch.
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I'm hoping when the time comes, that St. Peter is on a break and a Mexican is taking his place. |
Don't
forget your wallet.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bancoduo
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I'm hoping when the time comes, that St. Peter is on a break and a Mexican is taking his place. |
Don't
forget your wallet. |
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Lee
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Where oh where are the vocal moral minority?
| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I'm hoping when the time comes, that St. Peter is on a break and a Mexican is taking his place. |
Don't
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''mordita is an inherent cultural problem....
continuing to pay mordita only perpetuates the something for nothing mentality.....
Morditda negatively effects YOU....
people who pay mordita are SELFISH!!...
They only think & care about their own interests...
"Money talks" alright!...
But have you ever stopped to LISTEN to what it's saying about you & how you chose to use it??''
Thought there was two sides to the mordida issues the Gringoes have created.
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MrBillM
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Honoring the Culture
Having supported the Mordida system for over Thirty years and having never felt distress over it, I will continue to support that system for whatever
future time I spend in Baja. I've had better experiences with Mordida than the more formal methods of official extortion.
I could care less what ANYONE else thinks about that. EVERYONE else can pursue whatever path they feel like and I could care less about that.
I have no desire to change any aspect of another country's culture or bureaucracy.
Call it whatever you want. It works for me and the opinions of any detractors are less than meaningless.
In other words, T. S.
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