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Santiago
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Sorry guys for AWOL - i actually had to work today.
1. Small cabin off grid.
2. Use for 6 to 10 days by a couple of guys who might take a couple or three showers. BUT must be prepared for what seems likely to be more frequent
wifely visits.
3. Will put the pila on the top of a block room with a concrete roof. Then will have some pressure should pump fail (I will have a spare one on
hand).
4. The pila will be next to the bath and about a 15' run of pipe to the kitchen sink.
5. Currently, a small gas hot water tank sits next to the shower and is plumbed with copper but with about a 12" plastic/rubber hose from the copper
to the tank (both hot and cold). If I deside to plumb hot water to the bath or kithchen sink then I'll use the CPVC for that.
6. Look like I should use 1" from the pila outlet to the pump and 1/2" from the pump to the supply system? Obviously a gate valve between the pump
and the pila.
7. Does anyone actually drink the stuff out of the pila?
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Sorry guys for AWOL - i actually had to work today.
1. Small cabin off grid.
2. Use for 6 to 10 days by a couple of guys who might take a couple or three showers. BUT must be prepared for what seems likely to be more frequent
wifely visits.
3. Will put the pila on the top of a block room with a concrete roof. Then will have some pressure should pump fail (I will have a spare one on
hand).
4. The pila will be next to the bath and about a 15' run of pipe to the kitchen sink.
5. Currently, a small gas hot water tank sits next to the shower and is plumbed with copper but with about a 12" plastic/rubber hose from the copper
to the tank (both hot and cold). If I deside to plumb hot water to the bath or kithchen sink then I'll use the CPVC for that.
6. Look like I should use 1" from the pila outlet to the pump and 1/2" from the pump to the supply system? Obviously a gate valve between the pump
and the pila.
7. Does anyone actually drink the stuff out of the pila? |
If you do your's are bigger then mine...
Whew...that was an important edit...
[Edited on 8-10-2007 by Al G]
Albert G
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DENNIS
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Don't drink the water. Drink Pacifico.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Don't drink the water. Drink Pacifico. |
That includes bottled water...I even shower with Pacifico...don't worry I substitute Tacate when nobody looking...I wish I was rich...I would use
champagne...never Pacifico...unless it was used...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
I even shower with Pacifico...don't worry I substitute Tacate when nobody looking...I wish I was rich...I would use champagne...never
Pacifico...unless it was used... |
Wait Albert, no, no........not used Pacifico.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
I even shower with Pacifico...don't worry I substitute Tacate when nobody looking...I wish I was rich...I would use champagne...never
Pacifico...unless it was used... |
Wait Albert, no, no........not used Pacifico. |
Uh-oh got lost on the keyboard...I swear...
Albert G
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BajaWarrior
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There may be a "lift" or "rise" problem if the tank is too low. You cannot use a bilge pump because it wont shut off, you need a demand type, SHURFLO
is the RV type, DC power, and has an automatic shutoff. They make a "whisper" type, a little more but without the rattle. Also, mount it on rubber,
then on wood then attach to wall and it will control the noise.
Definatley install a switch, even a household switch, and turn off even if your leaving for the day, and make it accesible. Also, a whole house
shutoff valve just as the water line enters the house before it reaches the pump
I am running 3/4" PVC throughout my system and no problems. I'm using copper right out of the Water Heater for about 16" (corrugated type for water
heaters) I have always wondered if the pressure would be better if I were using 1/2 PVC though, anyone? The Shurflo pump is rated for 45 psi I
believe.
My tank is actually mounted on my roof, atop three intersecting walls. It is the black Mexi type that is probably about 400 gallons. My water guy's
tank is 300, so it never overflows unless I've jumped the gun on requesting water. You may want to get a bigger tank, depending on what your water
guy's tank holds. In our campo, it's not the water you pay for, it's the delivery.
I've had my casa for about 15 years now, I've also gone through three pumps in that time, but always keep a spare.
Do not drink the water! Bring vended water in the large Sparkletts bottles, get a crock and stand also, from home or stop in town at the water
purifying plant.
[Edited on 8-10-2007 by BajaWarrior]
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Roberto
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Shurflo washdown pump. Cheaper that RV types, and just as good.
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Debra
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Santiago...........pay VERY CLOSE ATTENTION, so you get this right and can help me with mine! 
Mean people suck!
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Bob and Susan
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Santiago and Debra
Do it right the FIRST time!!!!
put the tank on the ground
susan and i use 500 gallons a week
we do a load of wash daily
we take 2 showers or more...
(depending on susan's mood)
Get a bigger tank...180gal is NOT enough
we have a dual axel trailer with a traveling 500gal water tank to fill the pila
cost $1800
our monthly fee to the water company is $15
we get our own water ... for now
our pila for the garage 2000 gal 3 tanks hooked together
a delivery water truck here to fill tanks here is now $100 per delivery
a partial truck is still $100
GET the BIGGEST tank you can afford or several and hook together with plastic pipes
get a pressure pump WITH a presure tank
Here at the local hardware store $500
they draw 7-9 amps 110-120v for 2-3 minutes at a time
use a teo inch pipe from pila to the top of the pila
use a ONE inch pipe from the top of the pila to the pump
and back-flow pieces so the water ONLY goes one way
(to keep the pump "primed")
3/4" after the pump to the casa
(sched 40 plastic is OK)
ANY plastic...if in the sun or elements it MUST be painted
1/2" COPPER in the casa 3/4" would be better but your run is not that long
DO NOT use plastic in the casa no matter what ANYONE says
(plastic is NOT to code in So CALIFORNIA)
Do it once and enjoy life
"Cheap-out" and you'll be "goofin" with the pump and pipes forever
[Edited on 8-11-2007 by Bob and Susan]
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DENNIS
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Bob..........
How far do you have to haul water? A most common water truck is 2500 gallons. is that what they use when chargeing 100 dollars per load? I'm aware
of all the obvious differences but, up here we pay 28 bucks per load. Add 5 if it goes over the hill to the Buf.
I'm sure you've considered buying a water truck for your use. It might pay for itself in time, especially if you partnered up with a couple of other
users in your area.
Just a thought.
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Bob and Susan
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we're 10 miles from the water pump
the price last year was $60 a truckload delivered
prices have increased...
we've thought about getting a truck but opted on a trailer
much less hassel...
might get a BIGGER one later
we'll see...
it takes 45 minutes to drive to the pump...fill-ur-up...and return
"parterning up" is NOT in our plans...
we don't want to be in the "water business"
having your own tanker does make you more independent...
we like that...
i get to wash the truck on sunday morning like always
what FUN!!!
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Al G
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Bob...Please re-read Santiago's post...
What you are disscribing is a great setup for a LARGE casa...with very high water demands. You have AC power...he has limited DC power....no AC
available He has a sink...shower, and I am assuming a toilet....no washer...no dryer. His consummation for his poco casita, will be in ball park
of mine...100 gal per week....I do waste more then I should too. The system he CAN use is what I have and it has been operating for 19 years without
failure...I have a $48 back-up pump, because not sure what next week will be for this pump's future...may have to waste 15 minutes to replace it. Not trying to knock you...would never do that...his needs are
different then you think they are...if I am wrong I will apologize. Not sure of Debra's needs...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Not sure of Debra's needs... |
Well I certainly hope not !! 
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Bob and Susan
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lets do some math...
2 guys 10 days 1 shower each a day (requried by the "wife law")
6 gallons a shower = 120 gallons
bring 2 wives = 120 more gallons
we're up to 240 gallons for the 10 days
kitchen sink for dishes and washing hands after tiolet (REQUIRED!!!)
5 gallons a day = 50 gallons
we're up to 290 gallons
flushing the tiolet...
let's see...regular GUYS...3 flushes per day
Old GUYS...6 flushes per day
this all depends on "their tank"
(re: you DO NOT pee outside when you have your own place)
2 "Old Guys" 12 flushes per day 10 days @ 2 gallons per flush
= 240 gallons per trip
2 extra wives (always need extra flushes) = another 240 gallons for flushing
the total with all this water for 10 days could be up to:
770 gallons easily
a 180 gallon pila is too small...they need a larger unit
the "wife law" requires it
Now...
it's a small cabin
if they dont have an inverter to convert 12v to 110-120v how are they going to bring the direct tv and watch the "game"???
they MUST have an inverter( "football viewing rules" )
this IS NOT 1948...we "WATCH" the game!!!
now...about debra...what are HER needs???
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i was just in town buying paint and
the hardware store had a 110-120v pump and pressure tank for $375
it was ready to "plug-in"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
we're 10 miles from the water pump
the price last year was $60 a truckload delivered
prices have increased...
we don't want to be in the "water business"
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Wow. Your water prices went up 65% from last year. That's a big increase. If you need a construction loan, I guess you know who to ask.
We are about the same distance from the source, 20 miles up and back.
I wasn't suggesting selling water although hiring a driver for your pipa would have some advantages if he could run a business between supplying you.
Probably no-cost water for your operation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
....bring 2 wives = 120 more gallons
..(re: you DO NOT pee outside when you have your own place)
.....2 extra wives (always need extra flushes) = another 240 gallons for flushing
now...about debra...what are HER needs??? |
This is fun....bring 2 wives, ok, but then bring 2 "extra" wives? Aren't two enough?
Why not pee outside when you have your own place? It would make more sense to pee outside of your own place than if you were at someone else's pad.
Just curious. It's kind of like marking your territory. I guess it depends on your wife law, or how close your neighbor's place is.
Debra's needs? I think that's a whole new thread!
Seriously, we are going to update our water situation down south as well, and find the info provided very helpful. Thanks all.
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Santiago
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"Extra wives"?????? are you guys kidding. Andy and I can barely handle our homework let alone extra credit. The only reason we get excited about
crossing the border now-a-days is that the fishing is better - although, as I recall, the smell's about the same......
Now as for Debra's needs, I think Iflyfish will have to step in.
Al G: I agree with your assessment but something rings a bit true about Bob's calcs. I suppose I could go with the 450liter and just add one to it.
Might spread the load a bit of the concrete slab roof.
Also, by the way, I got a U2U suggesting to not use the work "pila" but "tinaco" as he had much confusion in trying to buy one using "pila".
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Also, by the way, I got a U2U suggesting to not use the work "pila" but "tinaco" as he had much confusion in trying to buy one using "pila".
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That's a good point. It's too bad people have to U2U when the info would benefit a lot of people around here.
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