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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Ya know...........once in a while someone makes complete sense!
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I second that! 
~ Gnome-ad |
I third that!
A lot of ignorance surrounds the wafts of weed. A lot of it is engendered by attitudes of intolerance; reactionary, political and moralistic peer
group rhetoric. It is a happy (organic) drug. Those who smoke it are generally non-agressive. While it is debatable as to whether it is addictive or
not, it in and of itself is harmless. It is an absolute fallacy that it is a gateway to other drugs. The harm surrounding it is that the
criminalization of Marijuana creates a criminal class of purveyors, whose defense of their territories breeds violence.
My point is that government resources are wasted and misdirected, drawing focus and action away from the real public enemy drugs like Meth. It is
immediately and highly addictive. It causes everyone in its grip to put the cravings (both physiololgical and psychological), above family, work and
anything they once deemed important. Its users resort to crime to support their habit. Thievery is an easy avenue for them to get items they can
convert into money to buy more. As others have stated here in this string, it is easy to produce, but not without risk to themselves, everyone around
them and the environment. For most, because it is readily available on the street, it is easier to buy it. Meth users go for days without sleep. They
become dellusionary, paranoid and violent. They become a burden on our communities, our tax dollars and our law enforcement agencies.
I don't smoke Mary Jane anymore because there are too many things I want to get done in a day. As I have entered my senior years, there is more and
more I want to accomplish. M.J. is not really conducive to being productive, for me. If you don't have much ambition, it is a great (altered) state to
be in. That is not a value judgement. I have learned from experience what works, or doesn't work for me. 
It is a good thing that people here can debate such an important subject. Doubters have a chance to learn something if they have an open mind. But
experience is the best teacher. (better than anything I can say here). If you really want to learn the truth, go out and roll one of your own!  
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Minnow
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Tone and Bruno, I agree with both of your well thought out posts.
To add one more thing on the meth problem. The preferred way of ingesting it now is to smoke it. This was not done in the past. That makes the
addiction much quicker and the cravings that much greater.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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The Gull
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Am I the only one who has a craving for ice cream
after reading this post?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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bajajudy
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Gull
And maybe a cheeseburger and fires.
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toneart
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Jeez, Gull....along with your own admission, you are exposing me as well. Haagendaz is my drug of choice. ...It's got to be pure vanilla or pure chocolate. Don't make me steal for it! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Gull
And maybe a cheeseburger and fires. |
Judy what
are YOU smokin'?
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Debra
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Hitler's wackos use Meth. What do you think made them so mean?!
We have a HUGE Meth. problem near where I live, and the idiots have started shooting it! I wish they would all blow themselve up! (sound harsh? I
DON'T CARE!) ,I have personal friends that had their lives destroyed by that crap (of course they are no longer friends, they are either too wacked
out, or in jail, one is dead) Give me a pot smoker anytime. The only problem I have with pot is that it is illegal, I say legallize it ane tax it
just like booze or cigs. I suspect it's much less harful.
Mean people suck!
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Most of the pot-smokers I know are passive and no threat to anybody.
Live and let live.Have known some drinkers that will introduce you into a "world of hurt".
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bajajudy
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Sharks, today is the 40th birthday of the Big Mac....
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Thanks to All! This a very informative Thread.
Question: What does anyone know about "Cheese" whcih is rampant in the Teenagers- Cheap and easily made?
Being an ex-Police Officer /Investigator i often wonder if todays Culture is developing more Fear into our People-Result escaping Reality.
Not too many years ago, Drunks and Pot Smokers were "Shunned" by many of their Peers, now it is more Accepted.
I have been Drunk 3 times in my Life, smoked Pot 2 Times -It made my Peacker Limp!
I got my Highs walking and Fishing the Hi Sierras, Jumping out of Airplanes/ Flying Airpalnes and Dancin with all the Pretty Ladies{sometimes taking
the Home for a "Roll in the Hay"
I consider myself very Lucky.
Sleet/Loreto
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BajaBruno
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Good article, Lencho. One might quibble with his chemistry, or some minor facts, but that's not important. The bigger point on rehab is relevant and
he presents it well.
My point is that after all the attempts to legislate ourselves out of this problem, the problem remains. Each new law is more harsh, more draconian,
has more money attached to it, and is trumpeted as the final solution to the problem. None of them have worked and I can guarantee that none of them
in the future will.
Dogmatic impositions of one person’s conscience on another person never work. We have lots of examples of our failure to prevent (what one group
perceives as) vice by locking people up, fining them, embarrassing them, or other legislative options. Big blocks of people don’t respond to that
approach, and we shouldn’t need Viet Nam, Prohibition, Iraq, or Somalia to figure that out, but I guess we do.
No, there is only one effective way to “solve” the meth problem. That is simply to legalize a cheaper, hopefully safer, and more attractive drug.
Users will leave meth when they have a better option to fill that need, and not before. In the meantime, taxes to keep them in jail and insurance to
protect our property from them will just keep going up.
The U.S. can be smart, or it can continue to be dogmatic. Smart, however, has never been politically expedient.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Gull
And maybe a cheeseburger and fires. |
yes, and a thick strawberry shake and macaroons and potato chips and...
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
smoked Pot 2 Times -It made my Peacker Limp! |
You did it wrong.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Jeez, Gull....along with your own admission, you are exposing me as well. Haagendaz is my drug of choice. ...It's got to be pure vanilla or pure chocolate. Don't make me steal for it! |
Check out Moose Tracks. It's got fudge and peanut butter cups in it. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Lee
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La vida mota
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
The most efficient way of eliminating this "crime" of catering to America's appetite for intoxicants is simply to de-criminalize it, just as we have
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Yeah. Legalize it.
The only quality pot I'm aware of in Baja is brought in by gringos. MX use to have good pot -- Oaxacan, Michoacán -- anybody remember Acapulco
Gold? Panama Red?
MX is interested in quantity not quality. The best is grown between California and Canada. Hydroponic is grown anywhere. At least that's what
I'm told.
Who the heck buys MX schwag?
I smoked once -- couldn't exhale.
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Check out Moose Tracks. It's got fudge and peanut butter cups in it. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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yea-ah!!!! almost as good as sex!
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Yea remember it, now its Pacifico and petzels
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
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Check out Moose Tracks. It's got fudge and peanut butter cups in it. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Easy on the comparisons, Woody.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Would he or Woody
That is the real question!.
"Woody" as in car or "Woody" as in.............. "Woody"? 
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
That is the real question!.
"Woody" as in car or "Woody" as in.............. "Woody"?
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