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DENNIS
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Thanks Lee.....
Great Spanish slang site.
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"Don't most people come to Baja for the isolation?"
No.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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DENNIS
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I think the visitor does. Who that you know would drag down all their beach toys and camping gear to find an apartment in downtown La Paz?
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Then again, maybe you want to live in your own little world and not be bothered by anybody or have to read advertisments all over the place. Some
people are content with their own company.
Just a thought. |
why would someone like that want to live in Mexico? |
Guess you don't know people. 100 people can have 100 reasons for living in Baja. Choosing to have few friends, or only your own company, is just
as valid as any other reason.
What don't you understand about living in one's own little world? |
no mater how isolated a person wants to
be you are going to need to communicate with Mexicans while you live in Mexico. and it is only common courtesy for a person to try to learn the
language of the country that he or she is a guest in.
[Edited on 10-26-2007 by Bruce R Leech]
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I couldn't agree more Bruce. Besides, why go to a foreign country if you are not going to partake in all it has to offer. Your experience will be
far greater with at least a basic understanding of their language.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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Bruce R Leech
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Dennis I am pretty sure you don't feel this way your self I could understand this kind of thinking for some one just visiting Mexico for a couple of
weeks, but not for a person that wants to make Mexico there home.
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comitan
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The other side of the coin, there people living in Mexico 20+ years and have a home and know a minimal amount of Spanish, They talk to their maid,
yard man in English and don't seem to have any problems. Don't ever forget Mexicans know more English than they let on.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
The other side of the coin, there people living in Mexico 20+ years and have a home and know a minimal amount of Spanish, They talk to their maid,
yard man in English and don't seem to have any problems. Don't ever forget Mexicans know more English than they let on. |
yes I know many like that and some are fine people . but they are missing allot and get taken advantage of allot also. and most don't have a clue
about the culture
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Lee
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Knowing minimal Spanish
| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
The other side of the coin, there people living in Mexico 20+ years and have a home and know a minimal amount of Spanish, They talk to their maid,
yard man in English and don't seem to have any problems. Don't ever forget Mexicans know more English than they let on. |
I have a negative reaction to any Mexican living in the US, or any gringo living in Mexico, who doesn't learn the language of the country they are
living in. This especially applies to people living FULL TIME in the country. I have seen greater arrorgance from gringos who think Mexicans
should learn English -- in Mexico.
This isn't about getting by. It's about arrogance. Whatever.
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
...Don't ever forget Mexicans know more English than they let on. |
Yeah, that can be very true. Sometimes playing dumb can work wonders in the right circumstance. It works both ways though. 
Often when on the mainland I avoid speaking English at all costs. It really keeps people guessing and limits their prejudgments about who I am.
I've had people think I was German, French, Mexican, Italian, Canadian, etc.. etc.. usually gringo is the third one down the list. It's a fun game to
play; but, it only works if you know Spanish... or German. 
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Sharksbaja
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tis true but..
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I think the visitor does. Who that you know would drag down all their beach toys and camping gear to find an apartment in downtown La Paz?
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..Isolation to me is a beach with only one vehicle or so. I fear most touristas are seeking the cushy Baja experience. Flush toilets, full bars that
sort of rich, lazy spoiled tourist thang. Baja is chock full of em now! Transplants or expats are more likely to seek that solace that Baja
romanticizes but more often than not they find themselves chockablock with similar minded folks in the modern enclaves. Most likely enjoying a fine
Pinot from Oregon while planning their fishing trip tomorrow. At least the sea isn't overrun with megayachts. Time will tell. Enjoy as many "secret"
places while the goins good! Learn as best you can the language, why would you
not??
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
I have a negative reaction to any Mexican living in the US, or any gringo living in Mexico, who doesn't learn the language of the country they are
living in. This especially applies to people living FULL TIME in the country. I have seen greater arrorgance from gringos who think Mexicans
should learn English -- in Mexico.
This isn't about getting by. It's about arrogance. Whatever. |
I agree; but, not many of us know Cherokee, Miwok, Shawnee, Nahuatl, Mixtec, Zapotec, etc.. So the speak what the natives speak/I was here first
argument is muddled somewhat IMO.
Here in Mexicali we have a large Chinese population, they pretty much built the city 100 years ago as they fled oppression from both the USA and
Mexico. One day I was at the Telnor office and an old Chinese lady was in the store. She only spoke Mandarin, her grandson (talking on his cell
phone in English at the same time) was translating Chinese to Spanish for his grandmother. It really tripped me out.
Some people only do what they need to get by, and don't bother to learn the local language. It really is a shame; as Mexico/USA/etc all have unique
and interesting cultures that are best learned from the locals by speaking the local language. Language is all about communication no matter how it
is achieved; but, adhering to custom and local practice is about respect. In that aspect I completely agree with you.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
Amen. |
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
you live in Mexico. and it is only common courtesy for a person to try to learn the language of the country that he or she is a guest in.
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Yeah.......Good one Bruce. You ought to be preaching that crap in LA or San Diego. Stick your common courtesy up your big fat where it belongs and
quit kissing Mexicos butt.
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Bruce R Leech
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Ouch
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bajajudy
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Larry
What does
!Mepuchi, pariente!
mean?
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DENNIS
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I tried to post with my original statement in a quote box and ended up dumping everything. Sorry.
I was in the process of saying that mine was only a comment regarding choice. A choice to remain private. Lee saw this....thanks.
What's disconcerting here is that most of you see this as abhorrent behavior. That one's desire for privacy in the midst of any culture would be
incomprehensible. That your way of social interaction is the only tolerable way.
I guess yours is the American way. Thanks.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
What does
!Mepuchi, pariente!
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Hey, didn't you just write that you'd learned to speak like the folks in Baja?
Roughly equivalent to "Woah, dude!" in California speak.
--Larry |
Now is that "Whoa dude" or Wosh dude...or maybe "back out" dude...
All Calefornia speak.
[Edited on 10-27-2007 by Al G]
Albert G
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bajajudy
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Larry
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Al
thanks!
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