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Skeet/Loreto
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Japan Airlines DC 7 1968 San Francisco, Calif.
DC 7 on Approach to San Francisco Airport landed in ShallowWater . 187 People on Board no one was injured.
I had just been Hired as Claims Mgr. for Associated Aviation Undrwriters in San Fran. I was light on experience so callled in the more experienced
from Los Angeles.
After the initial survery I was able to Hire Vaughn Lamb an Aircraft Recovery Specialist.
It was determined that the Landing Gear was stuck in 7 Feet of Water and could not be Pulled forward. The Japan Airline People came with their Little
Computers and Isisted that every Rivet be inspected, so Vaughn Lamb and his Partner dove for 24 Hours into the Cold Water feeling every inch of the
Underside Rivets to see if there was any Damage. They would inspect under the Water for a Half and Hour and come up from a good Slug of Brandy, go
back for another inspection.
It was determined that the Aircraft would have to be Lifeted and moved. But Lo and Behold, There was no way to Lift a DC7. Engineers finally decided
to Attach Lifting attachments to the Main Wing Spars,
I then made arrangement for a Large Crane to come in, the Aircraft was lifted up, a Barge was set under and we Floated it to the Ramp where several
Tugs pulled it up the Ramp on to the Runway, There was very little Damage, Aircraft was repaired and put back in Service.
Cause of the Accident: Taking the Statement from the Pilot, I noticed that he Hesitated when he described the Dialing in of the Altimeter setting.
It was later determined that he had made a 1,000 Ft. Error on Approach.
Sad: On the 10th Anniversity of the Accident the Pilot committed Hari Kari!
Skeet/Loreto
Next Story: Cessna 210 burns in at Night near Ukaih, Calif. Undetermined Cause??
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bajabird
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Baja stories or anywhere stories?  I want to fly in baja
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Skeet/Loreto
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Bird: Some of theses stories are in Baja, just haven't got to them yet.
Cessna Twin off Of Pt. Chavito- This Aircraft had an Engine Failure on Take off and landed in about 25 Feet of Water off of the South end of the
Runway. It was still visiable until about the early 80"s then I suspect the Mud came in and covered it. Would be interesting if some one with a Depth
finder could Pick it up on their Scope and find it.
Had a Cessna 310 damage its Gear and Props on Landing at Chivato in 69, Could not be Flown out, so Vaughn Lamb and I Took a Truck and Trailer across
from Guyumas on the Ferry, Took off the Wings placed the Aircraft on the Trailer and Ferried it back across and then to the States. Cost at that time
was $5,000 Total.
Bird. have you flown in Baja? Thought maybe some of the Stories would make some of the First time Pilots Aware of others mistakes and help them Flying
in Baja an other Places.
Skeet/Loreto
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bajabird
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Skeet- You use to get happy when I'd buzz your place coming into loreto.... so yes, over 300 trips to baja in my debonair
some of my favorite books include "fate is the hunter" and "i learned about flying from that"
Thank you for sharing your stories: I'm sure that every level of pilot (and non) enjoys them.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Bird. Are you the Young Whippersnapper who was a successful Business man in Diving Equiptment? I do remember chewing out a Deb. Pilot for "Buzzing to
Low" over Rancho Sonrisa!!
Glad to hear that you are still going to Loreto. Thats a good Aircraft you are Flying.
Have you ever encontered a "Sierra Wave Type condition while Flying in Baja??
A very good BooK to read is "Exploring the Monster" by Pat Rowbottom- the Daughter of Bob Symons.
I too read Fate is the Hunter many years ago.
Skeeter
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bajabird
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yah,
and yes,
the west wind just south of BOLA, have run into it hard several times!
The wind is so very strong even the 300hp debonair has issues.... I have just turned east and flown out into the Sea for a while til it softened up
(or til my passengers were at ease). Been into Truckee, Tahoe and Reno many times, as well as the Rockies, OR & WA..... Just love to fly;
Baja racing kept me away from the plane this year.
How ya been Skeet?
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bajabird
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good ole baja days  i'd like to go back in time.... (same lures different
year (sorry, suppose to be about flying)) same plane different year 
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capt. mike
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hey Rog i can see your house there!
what about that old tree? still ready to cut it up?
ARR manana in the tardes. have helper, will saw for his food. ;^)
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
hey Cap! = where yer bean?
what's happenin wit the vid?? |
Been a while, mike, trabajando (flying). Then came back just in time to have a baby! I let my wife do all the work, I really think that is the trick.
The Movie is not only complete, it is the best one to date. The Premiere party was held at the bat cave (KBTF) and special HD DVD players and big
screens were brought in just for the event. World wide release has been delayed by a management change at the Cabo Boys Head Quarters. We will have a
new web master after the first of the year, and the video production team has a new creative director.
A 3-4 minute clip (trailer)will soon be posted on the web site.
Fly low, land on roads.
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capt. mike
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nice shots Pomp.
CAP! congrats on the newly added little flyer! wow, looking forward to the con'td adventures de Los Boyz Cabos! i am sand bagging for next Oct too.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Thanks for all the Great Photos!! Brings back lots of Memories;
Landed at Chivato the first time in 1967, The old Hotel was in ruins. Went into some of the old rooms and was amazed at the Decay.
Does any one recall the Aircraft sunk in the Water off of the end of the Runway. Pomp? Cap?
I am looking for any Info that may confirm my sightings.
Thanks Skeet/Loreto
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Skeet/Loreto
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You Flying amigos let me know if I get to Long Winded. Ya Heh!
What not to do while Flying Lesson.
Around 1970 a young man who had been Partying with his Girlfriend a Couple of Days Took off at nite from San Carlos, Calif in his new Cessna 210.
Climbed to about 10,000 Ft. headed for Northern Calif.
Missing for Awhile; Found where he had Hit the Mountains near Ukiah Head On Right wing low attitude.
FAA said "Undetermined Cause" Clear Weather good Wind.
He was a member of a Prominent Lumber Family so the Insurance agent wanted a very good investigation.
I tlked to many of his Friends and during one of the Statements I was taking, I ask if he had any Habits known while Flying and Guess What?
His Best Friend said" He would always would get to Altitude, set his Auto Pilot. Set his Wrist Watch Alarm, an take a Short Nap!! Bingo, He never woke
up!
Keep Awake While Flying!
Skeet/Loreto
Next Story;
Wrinkled Wings on a Beech.
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Cap
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Keep'em coming. I have been getting a kick out of your tales.
Fly low, land on roads.
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capt. mike
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well the 206 that started this thread is parked off the ramp in the RV palapaville with the wings off. looks like it is sitting secured waiting for
the truck flat bed to take her home to the hospital! i'll do a pixture as soon as it gets light. a strange site on its nose sans gear and wings gone.
sad too.
oh well, no one got hurt. insurance is a good thing, her rates are gonna go up tho!
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Skeet/Loreto
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While living and working in Bishop Calif. as an Insurance Investigator, I got a call one day to meet a Pilot at the Bishop Airport and inspect an
Aircraft.
This Pilot had taken off rom the Bay Area headed for a Party at some of they Great Ladies Clubs at Elko Nevada. He reported that he was at around
12,000 Feet over the Sierras near Reno Nevada when he hit as he Described as "A Helliva a Windshear and then a Rolling Tuburlance. Reported that he
thought the Wongs were going to come off as he observed them Bending/ Flexing beyond Belief!
He headed South and landed at Bishop to Clean out his Shorts.
On examination of the Aircraft the Rivets attaching the SKin to the Fuselage were popped in several places as well as Large Wrinkles on the bottom and
top of each Wing extentending nearly to their Tips!
This was a V-Tail Beech. The Ruddervators were still in place with no sign of Damage.
Lesson to remember: When Flying the Sierra's always be aware of the Direction and Speed that forms a Sierra Wave Condition and do your best to stay
out of it.
Skeet/Loreto
Next Story; After I seed my Pasture: Don't Fly up a Canyon- A Personal Experience!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
While living and working in Bishop Calif. as an Insurance Investigator, I got a call one day to meet a Pilot at the Bishop Airport and inspect an
Aircraft.
This Pilot had taken off rom the Bay Area headed for a Party at some of they Great Ladies Clubs at Elko Nevada. He reported that he was at around
12,000 Feet over the Sierras near Reno Nevada when he hit as he Described as "A Helliva a Windshear and then a Rolling Tuburlance. Reported that he
thought the Wongs were going to come off as he observed them Bending/ Flexing beyond Belief!
He headed South and landed at Bishop to Clean out his Shorts.
On examination of the Aircraft the Rivets attaching the SKin to the Fuselage were popped in several places as well as Large Wrinkles on the bottom and
top of each Wing extentending nearly to their Tips!
This was a V-Tail Beech. The Ruddervators were still in place with no sign of Damage.
Lesson to remember: When Flying the Sierra's always be aware of the Direction and Speed that forms a Sierra Wave Condition and do your best to stay
out of it.
Skeet/Loreto
Next Story; After I seed my Pasture: Don't Fly up a Canyon- A Personal Experience! |
Skeet,
Any stories of sailplanes along the eastern sierra?
Ken
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Skeet/Loreto
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Ken: That is the next Story:
While running the GAB Office at Bishop , I had lots of spare time so was ask to start Towing Gliders for some of the Locals. Had a Super Cub.
Was just getting started into pulling Dan Schat, Walt Applegate, and Ron Reagan into the Sierra Wave. Would drop them about a 1,000 Ft. above Bishop
and they would Soar to 20,000 Ft easy on a Good Wave condition.
On Day was pulling Dan Schat in his new Bolkow Phebes, lift was not to go so we headed South toward Big Pine to check the Lift. It appeared good so I
made and Error and turned UP the Canyon to the West, doing fairly well with Lift and it appeared we would have enough Lift to get over the ridge. Boy
Was I fooled!!
Instantly The Glider was in Front of me going downward with the Tow Line wrapped around my right Wing and I was being forced Downward. Thank God, Dan
saw the Danger and released the Towline, I then released and the Line slipped from around the Wing. I looked forward and was headed directly into the
ridge with not enough Lift to get over. I executed a Chandelle and escaped Disaster.. thank God for Super Cubs.!!!!. I had Ron Reagan in the Rear Seat
giving him some Training in the Proper way to Tow. After landing and Cleaning our Shorts I informed him Never, Never fly up a Canyon and always
remember that Wind Lift can change suddenly coming over any Ridge.
Dan Schat is still Flying, he is Known as the Hawaiian Flyer has an operation in Hawai..
Skeeter;
The Sierra Wave out of Bishop Calif.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Great Photos and Stories;
Sure wish I could get my Photos from Associated Aviation.
Towed a Glider off at Bishop one day and he went to the Eastern Side of Colo. Set a Record at that time.
Blowing Snow wind Chill Factor down to 15 Today. Sure would be nice to be in Loreto!
Take Care.
Skeeter
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Stickers
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Landing at PSF video
http://www.craigtcg.com/rick/baJapanesef.wmv
Last year keeping the nose up and the nose gear attached.
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capt. mike
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hey steeekers nice one. what plane was that? a cherokee? arrow?
looks like you are in the hi perf car biz? do anything for planes? porsche are sort of like air cooled horiz opposed plane motors no?
did you ever see the formula V races small planes with VeeDub engines that do circuit racing aka reno style.
i wish i had more av videos but don't so all you flyers keep posting fun stuff.
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