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losfrailes
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How about some clarification of the instance where state police were all killed in central Mexico.
I do not believe I am the only one first hearing of this.
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rdrrm8e
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Rosarita Police station
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
If the depiction of the layout of the facility is correct, it seems as their physical security of the building is non-existant.
There should have been no forced entry (short of explosives) past the reception/screening area in the front, and no forced entry into or past the
parking area, let alone into the rear door........makes you wonder |
That pic is very accurate. The station sits right on the free road in South Rosarita...not downtown. I have been inside the station about 10-12 times.
I was burglarized by a gringo and had him arrested. The cops got all my stuff back from the dood and kept changing my requirements to get it back.
Eventually (after a month of trying) the pile of stuff kept getting smaller and smaller. The cops stole it all from me.
There is no security at that station. There is a lobby and glass cubicles on 3 sides. The gate to the parking lot was always open
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hose A
| Quote: | Originally posted by losfrailes
How about some clarification of the instance where state police were all killed in central Mexico.
I do not believe I am the only one first hearing of this. |
It's news to me. I would like to hear dates and number of officers killed. |
Might be referring to that shootout up by Cananea in northern Sonora, maybe. But most of those cops killed were locals. And they got most of the bad
guys.
Maybe it was some other occurance. We're all ears..........well, I guess eyes on the internet.
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Woooosh
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I got stuck in all the armed forces roadbloacks as well- even leaving Rosarito at 2pm. The cops don't really try to catch these cartel commando guys-
they are out trained and outgunned (and undermotivated to say the least). The roadblockc were set up only at the main intersections. With long lines
of traffic and plenty of side roads to go around- you'd have to be a pretty stupid criminal not to figure out what was ahead. I'm sure the thugs just
ducked under the tollroad to the other side and were home drinking tequila before the roadblocks were even set up.
I can't figure out why they bother with the roadbloacks at all. They all know each other. It is well know that the drug guys live and control the
hills of Rosarito called the Colonia. They'll surely come down again next week and try again and then again until they finish the job their bosses
sent them to do. I'm surprised the new mayor Hugo Torres has only four bodyguards and a six car convoy these days.
[Edited on 12-19-2007 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 12-19-2007 by Woooosh]
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Here's my question: If I'm a bad guy and I go to my buddies and say, "Let's go shoot up the police station" and they agree, then it must mean that
something or someone is hurting or going to hurt my business; enough so that it is worth it to risk my life.
This can only mean that somebody somewhere was actually doing their job: catching bad guys and/or reducing their business.
Am I wrong here??? |
I think they are making a statement to the new "sheriff" in town; Hank Torres. He ran on a platform of cleaning up Rosarito, as I have read. This
might have been a "shot across the bow" as it were.
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State Police massacre
sorry for my lack of details but from what I remember at the time these State Police were sent in to replace the corrupt local police and this was the
result:
updated 2:42 p.m. PT, Wed., Feb. 7, 2007
ACAPULCO, Mexico - Brazen daylight killings by presumed drug smugglers just up the hill from Acapulco Bay are worrying business leaders that
increasingly bloody drug wars will cripple Mexico’s critical tourism industry.
In one of the boldest attacks yet, assassins dressed as soldiers barged into two state police stations shortly before noon Tuesday, demanded the
officers hand over their guns and then opened fire. Five police investigators and two secretaries were killed, and witnesses said the simultaneous
attacks were videotaped by the assailants.
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marla
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THE HONORABLE IV CITY COUNCIL
PLAYAS DE ROSARITO
PRESS RELEASE :0017
Social Communication/Public Relations
Social Communication Department
Playas de Rosarito, B.C., December 19th, 2007
The Honorable IV City Council of Rosarito condemns
the attempt perpetrated against Public Security
The City Government, headed by Mayor Hugo Eduardo Torres Chabert and the City Council, condemns the violent acts that occurred around 12:40 pm
Tuesday, Dec. 18 at City Police headquarters, where officer Guillermo Castro Corona lost his life and four other people were wounded.
These acts were meant to cause intimidation because of the work being done in areas of security since the IV Administration took office on Dec. 1.
We extend our sorrow and deep condolences to the family members of the officer whose life was lost in line of duty, and we let them know that they can
count on our sincere support and genuine recognition for the heroic job of the victim.
To the people of Rosarito, we want to express that these violent acts are the result of the job that is being done in Public Security areas, in
coordination with the State and Federal Government, and which will not stop until we all live in a secure city. These actions will not stop measures
undertaken by the government in Playas de Rosarito.
We trust that the State Attorney’s General Office will conduct an aggressive investigation of this crime, but nevertheless will be vigilant that that
it is done.
MEDIA CONTACT: Ron Raposa
ronraposa@hotmail.com
(619)948-3740
“ Un Gobierno Para Todos”
( “ A Government For All” )
If a man walks in the woods for love of them half of each day, he is in danger of being regarded as a loafer. But if he spends his days as a
speculator, shearing off those woods and making the earth bald before her time, he is deemed an industrious and enterprising citizen. Henry David
Thoreau
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I've said it before and I'll say it again... Baja Norte and other parts are in the throes of an insurgency. The power and will of the government is
being challenged. The challenge is not being met and untill that happens, the ability to resist wanes with every episode.
The government of Mexico allowed these cartels to exist and flourish and now can't stop it. Parts of the government and the cartels are one and the
same and will get stronger by the day. PLATA O PLOMO will design the future as it has in the past.
Mexico will never be able to cure the sickness she has brought upon herself. It was diagnosed too late. In the future, the US military will be
involved in Mexico again. How else can it play out?
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Bajajack
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Viva la revolución
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Orale whens the "party"             bring it all to Rosarito!!!!!!
READY SET.....................
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| Quote: | Originally posted by marla
THE HONORABLE IV CITY COUNCIL
PLAYAS DE ROSARITO
PRESS RELEASE :0017
Social Communication/Public Relations
Social Communication Department
Playas de Rosarito, B.C., December 19th, 2007
The Honorable IV City Council of Rosarito condemns
the attempt perpetrated against Public Security
These acts were meant to cause intimidation because of the work being done in areas of security since the IV Administration took office on Dec.
1.
To the people of Rosarito, we want to express that these violent acts are the result of the job that is being done in Public Security areas, in
coordination with the State and Federal Government, and which will not stop until we all live in a secure city. These actions will not stop
measures undertaken by the government in Playas de Rosarito.
We trust that the State Attorney’s General Office will conduct an aggressive investigation of this crime, but nevertheless will be vigilant that that
it is done.
MEDIA CONTACT: Ron Raposa
ronraposa@hotmail.com
(619)948-3740
“ Un Gobierno Para Todos”
( “ A Government For All” ) |
Does anyone know what this is in reference to? What work was/is being done?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be? |
Being a bad guy pays a lot more money
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jimgrms
| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be? |
Being a bad guy pays a lot more money |
Of course, but then how do you explain that all over the world there are countless examples of public servants (military/police officers/swat team
members) who risk their lives to kill bad guys who are making a lot more money than them? The answer, of course, is that they do it out of a sense of
pride for their job and of duty to their country and way of life. Also, there is a tipping point: when most around you are willing to do it, then you
join in. But if no one else is going to rush the gate with guns blasting then you won't either.
I am not suggesting that Mexican officials are any different; only that there is some other reason. To me, it must be that they don't believe that
their society, way of life and institutions are worth dieing for. There must be a huge disconnect between the average working Jose and the mid/upper
levels of government.
Am I close or way off base (kinda like M. Wills)?
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Hook
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Santiago, I think the wages of the cops and the bad guys (drug trade, specifically) are probably alot closer in countries that are farther from the
border of the country that is consuming most of the drugs. The last leg of getting them into the US is probably the most scrutinized and demands the
highest wages for the bad guys. Wages so high that even honorable cops are tempted.
Plus, the cost of living is much lower than near the border in many other parts of Mexico and Central America. So, a cops salary down there can
probably make ends meet. With all the gringos in Baja, everything is more expensive. Salaries probably havent kept up.
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Hook
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Risk my life and the welfare of my family for 900/month?
You can understand the attraction to the cartel money.
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Santiago
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hose A
[Current salary for a Baja State Police officer [P.E.P.]
is $10,000 pesos [$900 usd] a month. For a 6 day work week. On call 24/7. |
Hose A: how does this compare to EMTs, bombaderos, school teachers, Immigration officers. In other words, is this considered a good paying job?
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bajadedom
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Dear all-
We know who and what runs the corrupt system(s) south of the border-so why is it a suprise when anything like this occurs? Until the government
authorities out-gun, out-number,out-politic, and out-finance the opposition - nothing will change .......and do you think US development and residency
is welcomed by these rogues??? ...get a grip...
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jimgrms
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
| Quote: | Originally posted by jimgrms
| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be? |
Being a bad guy pays a lot more money |
Of course, but then how do you explain that all over the world there are countless examples of public servants (military/police officers/swat team
members) who risk their lives to kill bad guys who are making a lot more money than them? The answer, of course, is that they do it out of a sense of
pride for their job and of duty to their country and way of life. Also, there is a tipping point: when most around you are willing to do it, then you
join in. But if no one else is going to rush the gate with guns blasting then you won't either.
I am not suggesting that Mexican officials are any different; only that there is some other reason. To me, it must be that they don't believe that
their society, way of life and institutions are worth dieing for. There must be a huge disconnect between the average working Jose and the mid/upper
levels of government.
Am I close or way off base (kinda like M. Wills)? |
maybe they feel that they are beating a dead horse
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jimgrms
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Risk my life and the welfare of my family for 900/month?
You can understand the attraction to the cartel money. [/quote
When in vietnam i made something like 230.00 a month and troops today get around 1500 ,not much more than tj cops |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Can you imagine that? Just being out and about and a mercenary force shows up and starts blasting? Crazy. |
It's like having a Blackwater security detail in town! 
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