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allanbartlett
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At least if I get robbed or assualted somewhere in California, I have a chance of dealing with police who care and are not corrupt. When it happens
in Baja, no one cares in authority.
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Sharksbaja
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Good points Al. Makes sense. Just more lip service. Sure more important than ones opinion of gravy. It
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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CaboRon
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Come Baaak, Come Baaak
When you are exiting the Haunted Mansion attraction at Disneyland you hear a hauntilng voice saying....
"Come Baaak, Come Baaak "
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Woooosh
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I agree. Just more lip service. Talking about change doesn't make it happen- they have to want to change. So far they only want to change the
perception of crime- not crime itself or they would have hired Blackwater to patrol the toll road, not a PR firm to BS us.
Still no Rosarito police. The Federales are driving the police vehicles in my area. I have seen only a few familiar policemen- and they're only
doing crosswalk duty. I do like that the Army has posted their phone number for people to call.
Mexico needs to clean it's house BEFORE it invites company over. You don't invite company to a pigstye.
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castaway$
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I think there are several factors affecting Baja tourism, as I stated in a previous post there are two distinct forms of violence-
Policia and federales robbing tourists (still)
War between the government and the cartel.
It's pretty unlikley that most tourists will get caught in a gun battle between the cartel and the government, but it could happen if your luck is
running REAL, REAL low.
As far as being robbed, if you act stupid and flash your money and toys, don't travel in groups or travel at night your asking to be bit. It appears
to be worse right now but if you were to look at the number of those still travelling and those that do get robbed has it really increased that
dramaticaly or is it just being reported more because of all that is going on.
I believe Cypress brought up a good point the economy is keeping more people closer to home, I am a "Middle Class American" from a financial
standpoint, I live in Oregon, for me the drive to Baja will cost me about $400 towing my boat just to get to TJ, add insurance for all vehicles,
Tourist cards Etc..., fuel while in Baja $1000 - $1500 depending on how much I use my boat, then add lodging, food, drink and of course the return
home. I used to go twice a year now I go once (and stay longer). But the biggest deterrent- fuel prices, The cops the cartel there the least of my
worries.
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CaboRon
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Excellent points castaway$ ...........
CaboRon
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jimgrms
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So castaway your daying as long as we have lots of people with us and keep our money hid everything is ok .
Maybe we can get the public relations people to guard us
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castaway$
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I'm saying that there are ways to avoid being a target and there are alternative routes one could take to avoid the areas where the trouble is
predominatley being reported from.
I would not plan a vacation in TJ or Rosarito, they could be dangerous , plus I don't really like those areas they are heavily populated and that is
usually where the crime rates are the highest.
I am however not afraid to head to Mulege or Todos Santos for an extended stay and I wouldn't hesitate to take my family, the only recent killings I
know of in Mulege have been in the tienda (as per Pompano's post).
Everybody should make their own choices as to whether it is safe or not, I do believe there are areas to be avoided and your actions while there could
certainly put you at additional risk, the same things could happen if you drive through the wrong neighborhood in most any major U.S. city in the
middle of the night or drive through flaunting your wealth.
And as far as needing a guard, if you think you need one you should probably stay home or find a new place to go until, or if, the Mexican government
gets a handle on the situation, but for me life is to short to sit and wait. I have been many places in this world, some VERY dangerous, and my
personal opinion Baja with the use of common sense precautions just isn't that bad.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jimgrms
So castaway your daying as long as we have lots of people with us and keep our money hid everything is ok .
Maybe we can get the public relations people to guard us |
Yes, and leave that Rolex and the big F-350 in the states !!!
Do not display wealth in a third world country.
CaboRon
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toneart
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Tourism is way off here in Mulege and the restaurants are really hurting. Scotty´s is doing well though, and is getting good support from those who
have homes here.
All is muy tranquillo.
If you want to boycott Baja to make a statement or to get the Mexican Government to take action, that is one thing. But if you are not coming because
you are afraid, the only big problems occur when traveling at night. During the day there is the occassional mordida hassle up north, but how to deal
with that has been discussed here ad-nauseum.
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crystalsurf
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The cops are not laying low! We got pulled over for driving too slow through a 1ft puddle of water on Monday 1/28 around 1pm in Tijuana right before
you get in line for the border. The cops threatened to throw us in jail saying that they knew they were going to find drugs in our car and kept saying
they wanted to search the car in front of a judge and that the fine was going to be $1000. They were basically saying one way or another they were
going to find drugs.
They made us follow them to another location (they had my wallet & ID) and basically after a little discussion they emptied my wallet and sent us
on our way.
I've been going to Baja for 30 years and speak fluent Spanish and have paid the occasional bribe over the years but this is definately getting worse.
I've had to pay the mordida the past 3 times I've visited.
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bajaguy
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Why did you give him your wallet????
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DENNIS
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It was a gift.
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crystalsurf
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The cops told me to get out of the car, then put my hands behind my back and went through all my pockets. They went to put handcuffs on but I said
'please no esposas I already have them' and pointed to my wife. They seemed to like that joke but they took everything out of my pockets. By the way
it was a Baja wallet (not my real wallet-I never carry that on me) but it did have about $120.00 worth of pesos.
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bajaguy
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Ah, the old Baja Wallet trick.....I like it
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Aventurera
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Crystalsurf, I hope you went directly to the police station or found another police officer and filed a complaint. Part of the problem has always been
that tourists often don't bother to report these things because they just want to get back home.
Frontera just published an article today saying that last month only 9 police extortion complaints were filed by tourists, down from 360 in November.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Aventurera
Crystalsurf, I hope you went directly to the police station or found another police officer and filed a complaint. Part of the problem has always been
that tourists often don't bother to report these things because they just want to get back home.
Frontera just published an article today saying that last month only 9 police extortion complaints were filed by tourists, down from 360 in November.
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Where's that vaunted hotline number to report problems? You know, the one Hugo Torres is supposedly touting.
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