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"I recieve $400 a month ( i just got a raise to $600 a month starting in june).. included is tv with all premium channels like showtime, hbo,
cinemax etc etc , computer hookup , all utilities and a quad to use...when the owners return i go to a hotel in town which they pay for along with
food." Sweet deal you have going. Maybe some day we will get a TV at our place.
"How much is peace of mind worth?" Not sure if my mind is at peace more with a house sitter that I really barely know or just locking up the house.
Can't say that I worry too much about most anything that can be replaced.
"How much is having your house maintained worth?" Not much maintenance required that I can see. It's a house, not an estate.
"Nice to have someone there when a hurricane or chabasco hits huh?" Would be nice to have the water dried up off the tile.
"I also arrange for the maids to come and clean prior to the owners return, I line up plumbers, electricians etc when needed, get bids on projects
owners want done like painting or rock walls etc(and supervise the projects)." The maid, plumber and electrician? That's us. Other projects we would
rather talk to the workers ourselves.
"i start quads, dune buggys , vehicles once a month and have them gassed and ready to go when owners arrive , i charge batterys on vehicles when
needed and put air in tires" I suppose we can justify a lower pay scale since we have no quads - no buggys - 1 vehicle which so far hasn't needed a
battery charge and the tires seem to be holding air.
"pick up owners at airport and return to airport" I can put a value on this one. Taxi is about M$150, with tip, call it M$200. Figure 1 trip to and 1
trip back from the airport per year (less often normally.) 40 bucks.
"If you can afford a home in Mexico you can afford to pay someone to care for it in your absence." I think you may be comparing apples and oranges. We
live in a house, not a castle. I'm sure they are folks on this board that have multi-million dollars estates and more power to them, but that's
certainly not the case for us.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
rhintransit
Nice post. We were really surprised to find out that many people do not pay for house sitting----just can't imagine.
I figured my last post (the one from a friend regarding his housesitting/caretaking position) would get a reaction and am not much surprised at
responses. as I said, the author wanted to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons, and I am sure he will have more to add. when I hear from him, I
will pass the comments on to this forum. I agree his situation is unique. I know that the homeowners are quite wealthy and that that it a a million
plus dollar home in a relatively isolated place. and it's not a position I'd consider, for any length of time.
iI did wonder if/when anyone would get around the the subject of remuneration. rather than make this too long at this time with my personal
experiences I’ll just toss out the question..what financial arrangements have others made, either as homeowners or housesitters? I’m as surprised as
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sorry I didn't get my comments separated from the quote in the last post...read through the body of the 'quote' for the subsequent reply. thanks.
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Paula
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We are lucky to have some nice neighbors who asked us for work when we moved in 5 years ago. We like to do most of the gardening and cleaning
ourselves, but they water when we're gone and she does about 3 hours of minimal cleaning per week. I think she may be be the best paid huosekeeper in
Loreto, would say what I pay her but you'll all laugh at me 
When we go away for a few days we leave our dog in their care. They sleep over, watch TV, feed the dog twice a day, let him in and out, and hopefully
pet him and play with him a little. We pay them 100p per day.
When we leave for 8-12 weeks during the summer we take the dog. They water, which may take about 1 hour a day, and if there is a bad storm they stay
in the house because theirs leaks terribly. They mop up after, and make sure the house is reasonably clean when we return (they never know exactly
when that will be). I give them 2000p when we leave, and more when we return depending on how long we are gone. It comes to about 500p per week.
They also get all the food left in the frigde and freezer, 10 or so kilos of dorado and yellowtail per year, various clothing, appliances and
furniture, dishes, etc as we replace things. There are Christmas and birthady gifts and bonuses for the family of 4. We get to practice our Spanish,
and they get to laugh at the goofy gringos and our language skills. They are very happy with this boost to their income, and we have peace of mind.
So this works for us, and the $600 per month deal apparently works for rh's friend and his employers.
But I think the friendship and mutaul respect involved in our arrangement is priceless, a case of cultural differences?
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> TO LONG LEGS (SHORT POCKETS ) IN LA PAZ. OF COURSE I
> REALIZE THAT EVERYONE IN BAJA WITH HOMES HAVE DIFFERENT
> FINANCIAL LEVELS....IT STILL DOESNT MEAN YOU CANT PAY FOR
> SERVICES RENDERED EVEN ON SHORT TERM HOUSESITS......IF
> SOMEONE IS PROVIDING SECURITY , FEEDING PETS, WALKING PETS,
> CLEANING UP AFTER PETS, WATERING PLANTS AND HANDLING THE DAY
> IN DAY OUT PROBLEMS THAT SEEM TO ARISE WITH REGULAR
> FREQUENCY HERE THEY SHOULD BE COMPENSATED...FYI IF A
> PERMANENT MEXICAN CARETAKER WOULD BE HIRED THE NORMAL PAY
> IS $600-$800 A MONTH ....WITH ME MY OWNERS GET EMAIL
> UPDATES AND COMMUNICATION ON PROBLEMS THAT ARISE , DETAILED
> RECORDS OF EXPENDITURES, AND SOMEONE WHO TREATS THE HOUSE AS
> IF IT WERE THERE OWN...YOU WONT GET THAT WITH A MEXICAN...MY
> HOMEOWNERS FEEL THAT AROUND $14 DOLLARS A DAY IS WELL WORTH
> THE SERVICES I PERFORM ....AND THE PEACE OF MIND I PROVIDE
> FOR THEIR BAJA INVESTMENT....OF COURSE IF YOU LIVE IN A
> PALAPA 5 MILES FROM THE BEACH I CAN UNDERSTAND
> YOUR OPINION...VS THE MILLION DOLLAR BEACH HOUSE I SIT...
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SEEMS TO ME YOU GUYS ARE SPLITTING HAIRS SAYING THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CARETAKER AND HOUSESITTER....THE SAME RESPONSIBILITIES ARE THERE ,
JUST DIFFERENT LENGHTS OF TIME...THE HOUSESITTER IS DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS THAT A CARETAKER WOULD (AT LEAST I WOULD BE) BUT JUST NOT ON A
YEARLY BASIS AND THEY SHOULD BE PAID. ....ALL IT TAKES IS ONE TIME WHEN THE HOMEOWNER COMES BACK TO HIS HOUSE AND FINDS BROKEN DOORS OR WINDOWS AND
THEN FINDS TV'S , FISHING GEAR, DIVING GEAR ,MOTORCYCLES , BOAT MOTORS, RADIOS, COMPUTERS , TOOLS, PRINTERS, MONEY, CAMERAS,BOOZE, FOOD , CLOTHES, ETC
ETC ARE GONE...$400 A MONTH DOESNT SOUND LIKE MUCH WHEN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF POSSESIONS HAVE BEEN STOLEN.....OR IF A HOUSESITTER STOPS A LEAK FROM
A BROKEN WATER LINE THAT WOULD FLOOD THE HOUSE DESTROYING FURNITURE AND IF LEFT UNDETECTED CREATE HUGE WATER BILL...YOU ALL KNOW THAT DOWN HERE IF IT
CAN HAPPEN IT WILL !! ONCE AGAIN I REITERATE MINE IS PROBABLY NOT THE NORM (SECLUDED MILLION DOLLAR BEACH HOUSE) BUT I FEEL STRONGLY THAT NO MATTER
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE YOU HAVE IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO LIVE THERE AND MAINTAIN IT AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT YOU SHOULD PAY FOR THE SERVICE...
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lingililingili
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Well "Short Pockets" what a ya say to that?
This, Nomads, is what a " lingililingili" does!
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rhintransit
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well I see that my friend has signed up and is posting on his own now, so I don't have to feel like I am in the middle. so all the comments under my
name can now be my own.
jdtrotter...I agree, I was very surprised that many homeowners do not reimburse, in some way, monetary or otherwise, those who guard their homes and
pets. I was also pretty bugged that the housesitting site that lingililingili referred to in starting this thread published some blanket assertions
(such as housesitters pay for utilities) that some readers new to the concept might take as universal.
every situation is different. all my advice stands.
diane, jdtrotter...you have your priorities straight (must love my dogs!) for your situation. I'm a cat lover, adore the creatures and enjoy caring
for them. dogs I can take or leave. you'd want someone different if you needed a housesitter. that's what interviews are for, to find win-win
situations all around.
longlegsinlapaz...I agree, housesitterloreto has a fairly unique situation. but he does make some interesting points. maybe if the sums were
different? IF I had a home like that, I couldn't think of a better, harder worker...they get value for their money. no, he does not have another
residence at this time. many of us do. I pay utilities, taxes, upkeep, maintenience, etc on not one, but two homes.* would I ever pay utilities on
a third to do a housesit? no. but, I DO pay someone to take care of my Mexico cat and garden when I housesit, and feel it is reasonable that I am
not out of pocket to watch someone else's place. *all by myself, and on an income that falls somewhere between the two of you.
BMA, and others, I agree, apples and oranges. and as all situations are unique, take into consideration ALL that has been written here when
considering a house sitter or taking such a position.
Paula...you are blessed with a great situation, and you have earned it as have the people who have earned your trust. like I said, when you find
someone good, treat them well. the benefits are tremendous!
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lingililingili
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Anybody?
I have a scenario for you: You hear, through friends, of some people that have a nice little house (nothing fancy) in some wonderful place like New
Zealand, Austrailia, Bora Bora, La Paz, etc. and these folks are looking for someone to just stay in their house and water so they can go off on
vacation somewhere. They are not going to pay you but you are thinking "I've always wanted to go there and hotel, meals in restaurants, etc. would
really run alot." So here is this opportunity. 1) Do you pass it up because you are not getting paid? 2) Would it matter if it were two weeks or two
months?
Never having had or been a house sitter it seems that in alot of cases this would be a mutually beneficial arrangement, if both parties checked out
and agreed on things.
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excellent. a hypothetical question to illustrate/bring together the thread. I'm going to hold my answer for now, as I look forward to others jumping
in. (I know you are out there lurking...all those views say someone is interested)
I will predict that there will be two very different sets/subsets of answers, and that I can tell 1. which come from the wanna-be housesitters and
homeowners who may wanna have housesitters sometime and 2.which come from those with some experience in one capacity or the other. lingililingil is,
as he/she admits, in category 1.
| Quote: | Originally posted by lingililingili
Anybody?
I have a scenario for you: You hear, through friends, of some people that have a nice little house (nothing fancy) in some wonderful place like New
Zealand, Austrailia, Bora Bora, La Paz, etc. and these folks are looking for someone to just stay in their house and water so they can go off on
vacation somewhere. They are not going to pay you but you are thinking "I've always wanted to go there and hotel, meals in restaurants, etc. would
really run alot." So here is this opportunity. 1) Do you pass it up because you are not getting paid? 2) Would it matter if it were two weeks or two
months?
Never having had or been a house sitter it seems that in alot of cases this would be a mutually beneficial arrangement, if both parties checked out
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Natalie Ann
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Another country heard from....
First a disclaimer to state that I am not looking for house sitting positions. I simply would like to share my experience.
I house sit occasionally in the La Paz area, generally for friends or friends of friends. I love La Paz and areas south through the East Cape and
have often planned a vacation around an available house sit. I come with references from folks in Baja and in the U.S. 'Sits' have been as short as
two weeks and as long as 3 months.
I am a homeowner who has had and loves pets, plants, garden. I take care of other people's property as if it were my own except that I don't do
windows (grin). I speak Spanish well enough to deal with regular daily interactions as well as any possible household emergencies... don't do
plumbing, but do have the sense to turn off the water until arrival of the plumber whose contact info was left for me.
An available house to sit is a wonderful opportunity to enjoy Baja on my tiny budget. I look for a win-win situation for all. My expenses include a
RT plane ticket from the San Francisco Bay area - no small amount of money.
The contribution of the homeowner is a place to stay on my vacation. That place should include utilities - the regular amount for that time of year.
If there's a tv or computer in the house, it's real nice to be allowed to use them. If not, no bother. I don't need air conditioning, but do need a
good fan during the hottest months.
Household help is generally dismissed. I'm good with watering and daily pruning of small plants.... if there's a gardener for bigger jobs, he/she
should continue working. Drinking water delivery is always maintained at the owner's expense.
When folks have had insurance coverage and have been able to leave a vehicle, they generally allow me to use it. I do not abuse this privilege, but
find it real helpful with groceries and beach trips. I am accustomed to using the local bus system and also to bus travel on the peninsula. I enjoy
spending parts of days away from the house I am sitting, and it is always great to have a home to return to.
Sometimes when I have accepted short 'sits', folks have been kind enough to offer me their casita (when they have one) for another week or two after
their return.
Think that about sums it up. I think my approach to this might be unusual. It's born of a complete and utter love of Baja Sur and the desire to live
there one day.
Nena
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Natalie Ann
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lingililingili - You were posting your query same time as I was posting. I am an experienced house sitter and I would say yes to the situation you
suggest. As I said in my post, perhaps I'm unusual. Will be interesting to see what others say.
Nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
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Thank you, Nena
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Au contraire, I'm not cheap!! I was responding to your blanket statement that everyone who could afford to have a house in Mexico could afford to pay
$400-600 a month to have a housesitter in their absence. If you'll go back & reread my original post, I clearly stated that I do believe a
reasonable amount is feasible & that I personally have paid a housesitter on the occasions my friends couldn't watch things for me
because I took them to the states with me.
Don't assume that because my monthly retirement income is closer to $1K a month than it is $1,100 that I live in a hovel, or as you put it "a palapa 5
miles from the beach"! I've built two beachfront homes & if you're interested in seeing my actual living conditions/standard of living, the FSBO
listing for my second casa can still be viewed at:
http://nvpat.com/la_paz_house/index.html
True, it's definitely not a million dollar home, nor is the view home I'm currently finishing in the hills overlooking the Bay of La Paz, but it's a
far cry from "a palapa 5 miles from the beach"!
Your $600 a month income rounds up to $20 a day, not $14.
I'll be sure to tell my Mexican friends who caretake for the current owner of the first place I build & sold that his $500 mo income for
non-live-in care-taking is shortchanging him by $100-300 a month, by Loreto standards! You'd be smarter if you'd learn to stop making demeaning
generalized blanket statements..."YOU WONT GET THAT WITH A MEXICAN"; is not a true across-the-board statement; it's discriminatory & offensive ...IMO. Don't assume that everyone on this board is of non-Mexican descent; I can
guarantee that at least one poster on this thread is Mexican!
Yours is not a typical short-term housesitting situation, and I still believe that you are attempting to maximize your responsibilities, while
minimizing the non-monetary benefits you reap in your situation. Not all owners are wealthy & not all housesitters/caretakers are luck enough to
find a position working for the wealthy. For my income & the income level of my friends, your "peace of mind" is beyond the scope of our
financial reality!
| Quote: | Originally posted by loretohousesitter
> TO LONG LEGS (SHORT POCKETS ) IN LA PAZ. OF COURSE I
> REALIZE THAT EVERYONE IN BAJA WITH HOMES HAVE DIFFERENT
> FINANCIAL LEVELS....IT STILL DOESNT MEAN YOU CANT PAY FOR
> SERVICES RENDERED EVEN ON SHORT TERM HOUSESITS......IF
> SOMEONE IS PROVIDING SECURITY , FEEDING PETS, WALKING PETS,
> CLEANING UP AFTER PETS, WATERING PLANTS AND HANDLING THE DAY
> IN DAY OUT PROBLEMS THAT SEEM TO ARISE WITH REGULAR
> FREQUENCY HERE THEY SHOULD BE COMPENSATED...FYI IF A
> PERMANENT MEXICAN CARETAKER WOULD BE HIRED THE NORMAL PAY
> IS $600-$800 A MONTH ....WITH ME MY OWNERS GET EMAIL
> UPDATES AND COMMUNICATION ON PROBLEMS THAT ARISE , DETAILED
> RECORDS OF EXPENDITURES, AND SOMEONE WHO TREATS THE HOUSE AS
> IF IT WERE THERE OWN...YOU WONT GET THAT WITH A MEXICAN...MY
> HOMEOWNERS FEEL THAT AROUND $14 DOLLARS A DAY IS WELL WORTH
> THE SERVICES I PERFORM ....AND THE PEACE OF MIND I PROVIDE
> FOR THEIR BAJA INVESTMENT....OF COURSE IF YOU LIVE IN A
> PALAPA 5 MILES FROM THE BEACH I CAN UNDERSTAND
> YOUR OPINION...VS THE MILLION DOLLAR BEACH HOUSE I SIT... |
Edit...moved the little guy to where he belonged!
[Edited on 4-13-2008 by longlegsinlapaz]
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Nena, to my way of thinking, you are in touch with reality & understand a win/win situation!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Nena, to my way of thinking, you are in touch with reality & understand a win/win situation! |
As I said, 'tis born of a particular love of the area.
Nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
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lingililingili
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Kate, We would have loved to have had you as a house sitter, however, the cats would have been a problem due to Steve's allergies. So here would have
been a perfect situation except for the kittys.
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I have had experience with using housesitters and it has sometimes meant I paid and sometimes not. It all depends on the deal arranged with the
housesitters. If someone is wanting a place to stay for a few months rent free in a nice home, why not do it for free. On the other hand if I need
someone to look after my home and animals for a short time and it means that a person has to give up there normal life and it means added work for
them then I certainly would pay for that.
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ONCE AGAIN LONGLEGS HAS MISINTERPRETED EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID AND HAS TRIED TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE I JUST LOUNGE AROUND AND DO NOTHING TO "EARN MY
KEEP"....AND ALSO I AM CURRENTLY RECIEVING EXACTLY $13.33 PER DAY. SORRY I HAD ROUNDED IT OFF TO $14.00 A DAY...THE $20 A DAY STARTS IN JUNE. HERE
IS MY SCHEDULE FOR TODAY...KEEP IN MIND THAT MY OWNERS ONLY COME DOWN EVERY FEW MONTHS AND THEY ARE COMING THURS: OPEN GARAGE START TRUCK . DRIVE
OVER TO OTHER GARAGE AND HOOK UP BOAT..PULL BOAT ONTO DRIVEWAY AND HAVE MEXICAN FRIEND WASH AND CLEAN THE BOAT AND TRUCK AND ALSO SWEEP OUT BOTH
GARAGES. PUT BOAT BACK AND RETURN TRUCK TO OTHER GARAGE...HOOK UP BATTERY CHARGER TO BOAT BATTERYS SO THERE WILL BE NO STARTING PROBLEMS...PUT AIR IN
BOAT TRAILER TIRES, CHECK SOLAR BATTERYS AND ADD WATER IF NECESSARY....START AND RUN QUADS AND GAS THEM UP...GO TO TOWN TO GET MORE GAS...INSTRUCT THE
MAIDS , INSPECT WORK AND PAY THEM....THESE ARE ONLY SOME OF THE THINGS THE OWNERS DONT WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN THEY ARE ONLY HERE FOR 3 OR 4
DAYS...THEY WANT TO COME IN HAVE EVERYTHING WORKING AND CLEAN AND READY ...HAVE A GREAT TIME AND LEAVE..
.WHEN I MENTIONED THAT MEXICAN CARETAKERS I KNOW GET $600-$800 A MONTH THEY LIVE ON PROPERTY IN A PROVIDED CASITA AND HAVE UTILITIES PAID ALSO....
I AGREE WITH NINA AND RED MESA THAT IF SOMEONE OFFERS YOU THEIR HOUSE TO "SIT" AND DOESNT EXPECT YOU TO "WORK" DOING THE THINGS NECESSARY TO KEEP THE
HOUSE UP AND RUNNING ITS A WIN WIN SITUATION...IF YOU HAVE TO START DEALING WITH PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, PROPANE TRUCKS, GARDENERS, HOUSEKEEPERS ,
PETS, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THINGS THEN YOU SHOULD BE COMPENSATED..THE OWNERS WOULDNT ASK A MEXICAN TO DO IT FOR FREE ....
AND ON A SIDE NOTE..I AM SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF YOU THAT DO GARDENING , WATER PLANTS, SWEEP PATIOS, PAINT , DO MAINTENANCE WORK ETC ETC..IVE BEEN
TOLD THAT YOU CANT DO A JOB A MEXICAN CAN DO EVEN AT YOUR OWN HOUSE...I KNOW SOMEONE THAT WAS TURNED INTO IMMIGRATION FOR SWEEPING THEIR OWN PATIO
TAKING A JOB AWAY FROM A MEXICAN...I AM VERY CAREFUL TO USE MEXICAN WORKERS WHEREVER I CAN.....ANY COMMENTS OR INFO ???
AND AS TO MY REMARK THAT "YOU WONT GET THAT WITH A MEXICAN" I SIMPLY MEANT THAT NONE OF THE MEXICANS I KNOW HAVE A COMPUTER ..I SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT
SENTENCE A FEW LINES ABOVE AFTER MY COMPUTER REMARKS...SORRY ABOUT THAT...
AGAIN I MAKE THE POINT MINE IS NOT THE NORMAL SITUATION....MY MAIN POINT BEING AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOUR LEVEL OF INCOME
IS , NO MATTER WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO LIVE THERE AND MAINTAIN IT TO YOUR STANDARDS THEY SHOULD BE COMPENSATED....SEEMS MOST AGREE
EVEN LONGLEGS AS HE HAS MENTIONED HE HAS PAID BEFORE....
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"AND ON A SIDE NOTE..I AM SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF YOU THAT DO GARDENING , WATER PLANTS, SWEEP PATIOS, PAINT , DO MAINTENANCE WORK ETC ETC..IVE BEEN
TOLD THAT YOU CANT DO A JOB A MEXICAN CAN DO EVEN AT YOUR OWN HOUSE...I KNOW SOMEONE THAT WAS TURNED INTO IMMIGRATION FOR SWEEPING THEIR OWN PATIO
TAKING A JOB AWAY FROM A MEXICAN...I AM VERY CAREFUL TO USE MEXICAN WORKERS WHEREVER I CAN.....ANY COMMENTS OR INFO ???"
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