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Bob and Susan
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obviously you DO NOT work in baja!!!
your advice is for the USA!!!
if you embarrass someone here in baja you may have no one work for you EVER!!!
these towns are small and
everyone knows you are and what you do and how you pay
the next time you want workers you'll pay dearly and be happy to get the workers
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Roberto
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David, when have you have hired workers in Baja?
[Edited on 4-11-2008 by Roberto]
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Sharksbaja
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It will be the same way here, if someone wants too much money we will get someone else that a gringo hasn't ruined yet with too much pay
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Just like California! Classic! 
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Lindalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
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It will be the same way here, if someone wants too much money we will get someone else that a gringo hasn't ruined yet with too much pay
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Just like California! Classic! |
What ever that means? 
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David K
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Oh forgive me for thinking this was a public forum seeking viewpoints and answers... LOL
If someone is having a heartache over paying a guy ten bucks to water their plants, I worry for them!
The question was work in general and it got into who should speak first when it comes to how much to pay... I only provided my side as a self employed
businessman who has done okay for his 50 years on this planet.
RichnLinda was just seeking some feedback and not a "flaming party"... the usuals here just can't hold back... again!
Sad that common sense is so lacking and that blaming others is all that is taught in the U.S. 
Can a thread ever get posted where different Nomads contribute their knowledge or opinions... so that all replies can be compared... without the
couple Nomads jumping in to act like smart burros?
[Edited on 4-11-2008 by David K]
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rts551
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Man, I think I will just keep doing what I was doing in getting good workers. We have instant experts that only vacation in Baja. We have people
who can't afford baja wages. and then we have Robinetta Hood who takes from the rich and gives th the poor. Whew, Life is tough.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
I ask the worker if it's enough. |
Jorge...Why would you put him through that? It makes him decide his worth with variables such as does he like you, is there more work here, what is
this guy worth, etc..
It's time we did our part to help the craftsmen act as professionals and know what their work is worth and charge accordingly. It's the beauty of
competition and the most qualified will compete for the jobs. Why pay a man twice what the job is worth just because you can? That's generous but,
it's charity.
For those of you who think I squeeze the local worker for his blood, let me tell you. I hire a man, a friend, who is scheduled to work four hours
each morning five days per week. This has been going on for over two years and when he gets the call to do his summer job of running a sport boat, I
pay him anyway. I pay him 150 bucks for the five half days. He's Vicente the mechanic who schedules his wrenching activities from noon on. It works
for him and it works for me but, we don't look each other eye to eye, me with my wallet and him with his cultural need to please and come up with
wages. We both know.
I believe it's demeaning for a worker when a Gringo, or anykind of boss stands in front of him and says, "How much should I pay you."
Set the price before the act and save the mans dignity. Your as well if one can understand this. [ not you Jorge. I know you have class ]
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Lindalou
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Yes, it's especially tough getting an answer. I do know now why only a couple of brave people almost told me what they pay. They don't want to get
flamed, for either too much or too little. Well, I guess we'll just pay what ever they accept and leave it at that.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
Yes, it's especially tough getting an answer. I do know now why only a couple of brave people almost told me what they pay. They don't want to get
flamed, for either too much or too little. Well, I guess we'll just pay what ever they accept and leave it at that. |
Linda..... Establish the price first and pay that.
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
.... What do you pay$? ... |
Above is the orginal question that was posed. It OBVIOUSLY is asked of those who have actually lived in Baja and have actually hired local labor.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Oh forgive me for thinking this was a public forum seeking viewpoints and answers... LOL
If someone is having a heartache over paying a guy ten bucks to water their plants, I worry for them!
The question was work in general and it got into who should speak first when it comes to how much to pay... I only provided my side as a self employed
businessman who has done okay for his 50 years on this planet.
RichnLinda was just seeking some feedback and not a "flaming party"... the usuals here just can't hold back... again!
Sad that common sense is so lacking and that blaming others is all that is taught in the U.S.
Can a thread ever get posted where different Nomads contribute their knowledge or opinions... so that all replies can be compared... without the
couple Nomads jumping in to act like smart burros?
[Edited on 4-11-2008 by David K] |
Here is DK again adding an unrequested response and then taking offense, then attacking in his defense and name calling. Seems the names should be on
the other foot.
Grow up DK - it's not always someone else's fault dude - it's your's !
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Oh forgive me for thinking this was a public forum seeking viewpoints and answers... LOL
If someone is having a heartache over paying a guy ten bucks to water their plants, I worry for them!
The question was work in general and it got into who should speak first when it comes to how much to pay... I only provided my side as a self employed
businessman who has done okay for his 50 years on this planet.
RichnLinda was just seeking some feedback and not a "flaming party"... the usuals here just can't hold back... again!
Sad that common sense is so lacking and that blaming others is all that is taught in the U.S.
Can a thread ever get posted where different Nomads contribute their knowledge or opinions... so that all replies can be compared... without the
couple Nomads jumping in to act like smart burros?
[Edited on 4-11-2008 by David K] |
Would you like a little cheese to go with that wine David?
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David K
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What is so hard about reading various answers and opinions without making it personal???
If RichnLinda didn't want to hear from ALL Nomads, then they could have u2u'd or emailed the question... r i g h t ???
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
What is so hard about reading various answers and opinions without making it personal???
If RichnLinda didn't want to hear from ALL Nomads, then they could have u2u'd or emailed the question... r i g h t ??? |
Well, what is the problem with keeping your UN-requested and UN-qualified responses to yourself ? And why is it that you always seem to be the one who
makes it "personal" and then cries that you have been wronged ?
WRONG: the question was not posed of everyone with an opinion, it was posed to those who had experience hiring local labor.
No one started this dialogue but you;
Dtrotter is not a "smart burro" and simply offered her differring and more knowledgeable opinion.
Roberto, although he can be abrasive at times, simply asked you a valid question.
So who started the "personal" and name calling ?
It is rare that I pick on anyone on this board but you have a way of peeing people off. Did you ever think that since it happens to you more than
ANYONE else, it might be something YOU do ? Oh nevermind....
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Lindalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
Yes, it's especially tough getting an answer. I do know now why only a couple of brave people almost told me what they pay. They don't want to get
flamed, for either too much or too little. Well, I guess we'll just pay what ever they accept and leave it at that. |
Linda..... Establish the price first and pay that. |
Thanks Dennis, was just trying to establish a ball park
figure, but...........
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
Thanks Dennis, was just trying to establish a ball park figure, but........... |
You'll know it when you hear it. It's those who don't know what end of a hammer to hold who are caught up in this stuff. That's not Rich, or you.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
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It will be the same way here, if someone wants too much money we will get someone else that a gringo hasn't ruined yet with too much pay
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What ever that means? |
Linda,
Wages in Baja are very different in different parts of Baja so your best advice is from those who live in your area. Even with that and even if you
set a price before work begins, it will still vary as to what you will want to pay them in the end.
We also find it very different if we are using a contractor or the workers directly. Direct wokers we always feed, help with buying tools, tip etc.
It is all so situational---no one answer.
I will say, however, that I am surprised that you did not see that the comment quoted above could be seen as very demeaning toward Mexicans---I
imagine that you did not mean it that way, but that is the way it reads.
Diane
[Edited on 4-12-2008 by jdtrotter]
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David K
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Okay Diver, I must be wrong and asking an installer how much a job will cost should never be done... ??? 
I just think Dennis had a valid point and was confirming that in the real world of service work, the cost is established BEFORE the work begins...
then both parties get what they wanted!
No Roberto, I have only traveled in Baja for fun and exploration... not established property there as you have... so, why didn't you offer some help
to RichnLinda instead of only jumping in here to question me?
I do know what people are paid in Baja because I have a friend who owns several businesses in Mexico, and it has been discussed... and you can believe
me when I say that the cost of any job is negotiated BEFORE the job starts... but, again... what do I know?
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | | [but, again... what do I know? |
Now you got it.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No Roberto, I have only traveled in Baja for fun and exploration... not established property there as you have... |
... and still have, by the way.
So, you MIGHT consider the option of not offering opinions on something you have (admittedly) NO experience in.
Don't turn this into "here we go again, people bashing me, and not offering anything". Since you are spouting off about something you know nothing
about, what exactly are YOU offering?
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No xxxxxxx, I have only traveled in Baja for fun and exploration... not established property there as you have... so, why didn't you offer some help
to RichnLinda instead of only jumping in here to question me?
ns... but, again... what do I know? |
Now David lets not get personal... Oh whoops, only you are allowed to do that.
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