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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diane------
there are numerous types of Tamerisk, I believe, and these particular type (as ID'ied from David's Photos) are NOT the type invading the river and
stream channels throughout the southwest, I don't believe. And yes, they are STILL being planted for wind breaks in the southwest, despite their
voracious appetite for water----in the Borrego Valley, for one, tho they do cause controversary as the water table in Borrego Springs is continueing
to drop. They do have some very unique characteristics that make them desirable under certain circumstances, as David laid out.
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If those trees are a different variety they still are phreatophytes are they not? Sounds like it from your description. Can't imagine under any
circumstances where water is a limited and precious resouce that these are appropriate---unless one does not care about water conservation.
Now, David says these are native to Baja? I am sure no expert on the plants of Baja, but I have never heard of any tamarix that was native to Baja.
But for the sake of argument and possibilities, let's assume it is a native plant. If so, it should not require any extra water from either a human
or a drip irritation.
Is is not true that since it is a phreatophyte, if it is planted in an area like a garden that requires extra water, with its water siphoning
capability, even more water is going to be needed to keep the rest of the plants alive---such a waste.
Phreatophyte---one word I learned many, many, years ago but alway have remembered it just because I like the way it sounds. 
Do you know the specis that Los Pinos is busy replacing along the highway? Seems like the wise thing to be doing with all the water problems in that
area.
JMHO
Diane
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Cypress
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Jeez, Nothing worse than an unreliable " yard boy".  That's one of those horror stories that keeps people from investing in Baja.
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Barry A.
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Diane------
No, I don't know what species the Los Pinos trees are-----in fact I am not sure where "Los Pinos" is.
You certainly have a point in that Tamerisk (tamerix) is a water hound, but I guess I just found it annoying that you seem so hostile towards whatever
David K seems to be saying, which I find strange since David helps more folks on this board than anybody else.
Cottonwood trees (poplars) are also "water hounds" (tho "native")-----do you advocate doing away with all cottonwoods? I hope not.
It just seemed like an extreme position, to me, but what do I know? Yes, tamerisk is NOT native, but I certainly know what David means when he
asserted that the tamerisks upcanyon "had been there prior to gringoes and Mexican development".
In all honesty I guess I was responding more to your perceived pickyness and sarcasm, which annoyed me, then the actual point you were making. I
should not have done that, and for that I apologize.
I would be very disappointed if David no longer posted his helping views on Baja, so it worries me when folks appear to go after him.
Barry
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Sharksbaja
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Simmer down now...hear!
Great argument! Back to the drip subject, no not you David. Ok I will weigh in here.
Since my dad was revolutionary in developing regulating self-flushung low pressure emitters and since I own a home that I installed a system in Baja
Sur 4 years ago I can add some feedback.
First off let me state that a properly maintained quality system will save thousands of gallons of water a year as opposed to hand watering.
There are the problems noted by some which include:
Pests and insects
Low pressure or no pressure for extended periods.
Power outages
Theft
Careless gardening
Floods
Now the pluses:
Water conservation
Target watering
Consistency
Save work
save money
surprise the neighbors
flourishing and thriving plants
I have to say I really like my system. Keeping plants at their happiest requires regularity. I have returned to find a flourishing jungle at our
place but one time found thieves had helped themselves to the hose but fortunately the programmer battery went dead. It seems many Mexicans don't
understand drip irrigation. I have seen some really bastardized setups.
Actually they are more like holes-in-a-hose and quite frankly I think that's how many look at a professional system. They are NOT all created equal
tho. No not Mexicans, drip systems.
It doesn't take a whole lot of time in the summer heat for plants to wilt and die w'o water.. If your caretaker/waterer forgets or moves on good-bye
to water hog plants.
Anyhoo, our place was pretty much wiped clean of vegetaion after the flood. After clearing away the mess I reinstalled the system. I might add that I
was able to salvage much of what hung on during the flood.
Here is the proof. The whole yard has completely recovered(and then some)without someone watering it.
11/06
6/07
11/07
Loving Baja and drip systems like DK does makes me all warm and fuzzy inside!
edit for grammer
[Edited on 6-9-2008 by Sharksbaja]
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Again, a language problem... and I don't speak Italian! |
Come on David, give me a break. I DO read for content. I have a place about 8 miles north of Puertecitos ... and last time I checked there are plenty
of locals I could find to do watering duties if I needed it.
Can you EVER take critcism? Can you EVER admit you might not have considered all angles before you post? Do you ALWAYS have to be right? Good luck in
your travels if you do.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diane------
I think you are out on a limb on this one (besides seeming hyper-sensitive to ANYTHING David says) |
Takes one to know one, I guess, Barry. Is there ANYTHING you ever disagree with David on?
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David K
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What town with bike riding kids is 8 miles north of Puertecitos?
Now each campo may have the owner or caretaker's family in the camp, but to say that guarantees kids or adults will be there to hand water your trees
or garden isn't the case... like in Bahia Asuncion.
Anyway, my reply to you was your saying this: "San Felipe -- that well known area devoid of all development and locals." with laughing symbols like I
was an idiot for saying there were no kids in San Felipe! You just read that I said SOUTH of San Felipe where I go... like way south not, on the edge
of town. So, you can rephrase your posts or mine all you want... but you make it so clear that all you want to do is to throw mud on my posts.
Funny that you came here where I post the most from a forum where you were and I do not post at... Just wondering why that is, except that this really
gets your jollies up... right?
99% of Baja Nomads are awesome people and I know so many of them to be great in person, too. Too bad there is 1% that only have hate here and have
little or nothing good to say. Oh well, maybe they will find happiness someday? Lord knows I have tried to be friendly and helpful...
Good night Paisano!
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Roberto
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Yup, sums it up, David. You got the ticket. You are right on.
But, just wondering what this means:
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Funny that you came here where I post the most from a forum where you were and I do not post at |
Are you tallking about Baja Nomad? If so, please check the date I registered. And, for the record, I was on the Amigos board LONG before Dr Drip
showed up. Do you REALLY believe I am here to persecute you?
Amazing, but not surprising that you are THAT full of yourself. You should run for political office, especially since you clearly have things together
on THAT front! 
[Edited on 6-9-2008 by Roberto]
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David K
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Then why don't you stop Roberto?
I never come into your posts (do you have any of your own?)... But, you can't resist coming into mine to muddy it up.
I am talking about Baja.net where the lies and stories told about me there were such great amusement for you and a couple others. I didn't post there
after mid 2001. Check the date I registered... I am the oldest active Nomad after Doug (#10 of 4,000+), joining the same month Doug started this forum
and a year before you registered here.
Can you just stop... ? It is only productive to your weird sense of fun and is a big turn off to most or all who come here for Baja information.
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fulano
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Then why don't you stop Roberto?
Can you just stop... ? It is only productive to your weird sense of fun and is a big turn off to most or all who come here for Baja information.
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I agree, I am pretty sick of this "baja hodad" , sticking his negative comments into everything.
CaboRon
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Jack Swords
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Wow, dropped by to read about "Baja gardens". Good info on drip irrigation, problems with garden labor in Mexico (had that in Todos Santos in '80s
and '90s). So very true! Been member of CA Rare Fruit Growers since the '70s so very much interested in the subject. Sadly, again an interesting
subject deteriorated to unwarranted personal comments about individuals. I suspect that there are no others on this board whose professional career
is designing and installing drip irrigation and solving problems inherent with these systems. I, for one, am still interested in the current
technology and new products in this field. Few are qualified to provide this information. So apparently assuming that a thread entitled "Baja
Gardens" would generally confine itself to that subject is no longer true. What has happened to this great board that has previously been so
informative?
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Diver
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Some forget the days of DK and JR's frequent confrontations.
Unfortunately, Roberto is no JR !
And DK will never change !
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Price
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Back to gardening - I live in SF & have a very small garden area - my problem is my dogs think it is a salad bar - also the salt cedar sounds like
the southern kudzu in its tendency to take over -
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I am talking about Baja.net where the lies and stories told about me there were such great amusement for you and a couple others. I didn't post there
after mid 2001. Check the date I registered... I am the oldest active Nomad after Doug (#10 of 4,000+), joining the same month Doug started this forum
and a year before you registered here.
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David, I stopped posting on baja.net almost FOUR years ago. And joined this board well before that. So, WTF are you talking about? And, P.S. I have
never told a lie about you -- I couldn't make that stuff up if I tried.
And yes, you are right (of course). I have NO posts "of my own"
But, back to the original reason for my post a drip system DOES, in fact, remove a possible job (small as it may be) for a local. You statement that
there are no such locals in the south campos is ludicrous.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
I agree, I am pretty sick of this "baja hodad" , sticking his negative comments into everything.
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No, not everything Cabo Ron, I particularly target stupid comments from the likes of you and DK.
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David K
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All you seem to know how to do is insult, and all I want to do is provide accurate information... Now you might have a vacation home near Puertecitos
that has plenty of people you can trust to keep your plantings irrigated, but I would bet there are plenty of vacation homes in Baja that do not have
such a labor pool or that the home owner would like to have some independent control of the irrigation... THAT is who I am addressing and for some
reason you and jdtrotter just love to interfere with what I am giving here.
Nomads, I already have had u2u and email questions sent to me on irrigation systems... please do the same if you are not comfortable posting in this
mess! 
By the way Roberto, this info appears next to your name with every post:
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Pescador
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Methinks that Roberto would be upset with anybody with more information than he has. David is a good wealth of information and has always been very
willing and open with sharing his information. If that rubs someone the wrong way, they need to look deeper into their own motivations to try to
understand the reason.
As far as Diane is concerned, she is an ex teacher and has a definite liberal view of the world and that obviously is in direct conflict with
David's view of the world which is more conservative and free enterprise oriented.
So go figure, even with this wide diversity there was still some really good information and we can blame it all on Osprey who is sitting back and
laughing at getting all this started.
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rob
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DRIP IRRIGATION
We get 4" of rain a year here in Rancho la Aguja - so every drop counts . . . we are self-sufficient in terms of vegetables (not totally true - there
are things I cannot get to grow) - I saw what the neighboring ejidos put onto their crops and decided that I wanted to live. We have 24
computer-controlled valves (massive overkill, but what did I know back then?) that water everything from trees to asparagus.
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rob
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DRIP IRRIGATION
One day I will master the photo attachment thing . . . I want to post two photos, but the progrma will only let me select one.
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