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shari
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thanks for that Mike...I'll check out your suggestions on line maybe? salt water ion filter...hmmm...interesting...our tub will be small...not the
party pool size...and Susan...of course if it becomes a water storage, it won't be a sit in tub then! We plan to make it of rock then plaster the
inside and tile it.
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Bob and Susan
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shari
water tanks and storage tanks use a different cement that doesn't leak
they ALSO use rebar
the pressure inside a water tank or YOUR spa without rebar reinforcment will EXPLODE the walls
water weighs 8 pounds a gallon (thats 3.64 kilos in canadian)
that's ALOT of weight in a "hot tob"
imagine sitting in the "tank" ...
it explodes...
you get "blown" over the wall in the washout
WOW!!! What a ride!!!
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Diver
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Shari,
I bet a small 12v or 110 pump with an in-line filter and a UV cylinder like Miquel's would work for a small tub !!  
And a dash of Chlorox once in a while will also help.
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before you give advice about using "CLOROX" in a spa
read about spa and water treatment on the internet...
shari don't take this advice
it DOESN'T Work
an in-line water filter is too small to handle the vol of water you NEED to filter in a spa
hasn't anyone here EVER had a pool or a SPA!!!
don't lead poor shari on...
this is an unprepared dangerous construction idea...for her and her community
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shari
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So why is it that lots of people here have large rock pilas...like a big tank, much bigger than ours and they don't explode. by the way no one here
has ever had a hot tub or spa but our builder has built them for gringos and he will plaster the inside of the rock walls for us and plumb it.
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Hey Shari-
I say go for it....regardless of "experts" and negative advice. For those with potential solutions, keep it coming. Based on the work I've seen from
Juan, I'm sure he'll figure something out or a helpful Nomad will chime in.
How do they keep the hot tubs in Guadalupe Valley clean?
Zac
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Sorry Bob.
I only have 25 years professional experience in water treatment.
We have used chlorox to disinfect city water systems.
I have also used chlorox to disinfect water basins used for other purposes like pilas.
I am under the impression that Shari is not building the gold-plated gringo hot tub !! 
One step up from an outdoor bathtub; but much nicer with stone walls.
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Ok Bob, so I checked the internet to see what the experts say.
A few say not to use bleach because it is corrosive and toxic to humans.
I find this to be very funny.
Funny because almost all public pools use chlorine for pool disinfection and have for many years. It is the same sodium hypochlorite but in a stronger
concentration. Just don't buy the scented stuff.
Our city pool is currently using sodium hypochlorite as is our water department - go figure !!
Granted, chlorine is slightly more corrosive to metals than bromide but who said Juan was going to use any metal pipes, heaters or filters anyway?
A few hundred feet of polypipe used to make a great solar heater before they came up with solar units ! And filters come in plastic housings these
days.
GO JUAN !! 
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diver... if you have 25 years PROFESIONAL experience in water treatment then you are an EXPERT...
and liable for what you say on a public internet chat board
this advice you are giving to shari is NOT correct and if someone else took this advice you could be held liable for dispursing incorrect information
i'm very dissapointed that you accept "that Shari is not building the gold-plated gringo hot tub" and you accept that...
SHARI IS A GRINGO!!!
(sorry shari once a gringo ALWAYS a gringo)
this is why JUNK is in baja...because "gringos" cheap out or are to ignorant to reasearch a subject
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shari...bigger tanks are REINFORCED with rebar...
thats why they dont explode...
the cement on the inside is mixed with chemicals that make it "water tight"
this is why you use special "pool plaster" when lining a pool or spa...so they don't leak
spas and pools are engineered not just put together with rocks laying around
there's alot to do before you start building
the equipment used to filter and clean the water has been tested by time and is easy to get and operate
pool clorine has additives to kill bugs and is stabilized as not to "disappear" when the sun shines...
it's inexpensive and available at the home depot in ensenada now...
allowing people to use a non-treated spa or pool is irresponsible...
especially that you operate a "bed and breakfast" in baja and COOK for them...
shari this is not the same as the hot tubs in the Guadalupe Valley
this is a spa at your "bed and breakfast"
AND...
you are inviting people over to use it...
these people could come from as far away as Canada and spend $3000-$5000 dollars USA just to get there
making a spa in your yard is a great idea... but...
get some advice from a "certified" spa builder BEFORE you continue
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diver
"25 years professional experience" AND you had to look it up on the internet????
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guadalupe hot tubs clean?? what an oxymarooon. i bet the only cleaning they get is because they are probably on a constant inflow outflow piped system
from the springs that feed them.
only a guess tho, never been there just read about it and saw the incriminating pix posted here for years.
looked pretty un sanitary to me.
is it sulpher based water? does sulphuric acid act as a cleaning agent?
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OK...no gringo's allowed in our little tub then...no sweat...but I don't agree about once a gringo always a gringo. I have become a new and different
person after having lived here for nearly 19 years and married a mexican family. I have come to understand how to do things
differently...creatively...and with little resources. True, perhaps our projects aren't "gringo" approved but they work for us. I'm happy just to use
the tub ourselves and can have guests sign a waiver if they want to join us in the tub. Of course we will attempt to keep it clean and I thank you for
your concern but there's no stopping Juan once he gets an idea in his head, thank goodness. Our "expert" will be helping us with the critical parts.
And as I say, hey if it doesn't work out, we need a pila anyway.
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Check this out:
http://www.spaguts.com/ElectronicSpaPacks.aspx
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Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
diver
"25 years professional experience" AND you had to look it up on the internet???? |
Nope, just wanted to see where you got your info and what the hot tub industry was saying. I wanted to see if you had a point before I responded
rather than blabber cautions and inuendo about things you are no expert in; postman.
Juan will build what Juan wants to build and if you knew him you would understand; it will be fine.
I would guess that Shari was not looking for judgement when she started this post.
But maybe you have a spare hot tub, pump or filter she can use ?
Relax Bob, you're in Baja !! 
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shari
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geez, all I wanted was one of those old claw foot tubs I could put outside and build a fire under it for a soothing hot bath with a view now and
again...like I had on Vancouver Island....oh how I loved that tub under the stars when it was snowing...nice and low tech...I just sat on a cedar
shake and had the garden hose in it to cool the water down when it got too hot. Anybody wanna trade a fishing charter for an old tub?
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Wow, things are getting HOT here... (no pun intended)...
There is another Nomad (can't recall his name right now) that is doing this very same thing just North of San Felipe (I sold him some pump, blower and
heater parts from our old spa a few months ago) ... I'll try to look him up for you Shari and you can U2U with him to see how he set his up, pumping
water out of the Sea of Cortez for his.
Bob H
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Shari, May I say, I will most certainly join you in your spa, chemical's no chemical's, green slime, no slime, pink slime, I can't wait!!!! Good
thing we didn't invite anyone to our spa treatments now that I read this post!!!
I know that Juan is going to build a beautiful work of art, and you will have a lovely hot tub.
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We have a hot tub and a motor home. We use a Ozonator in the hot tub as well as bromine tablets. Bromine does not smell as bad as chlorine (bleach)
but does the same thing. Cities clorinate water to kill off bacteria etc. and it is one of the best disinfectants you can use. We use 3oz in our 30
gallon tank to sanitize it. The problem with bleach is that people might use too much and bleach skin, clothing etc. Bleach in too high of a
concentrate can cause skin and other problems problems. If you can smell it a lot, then you have too much bleach in the water. There are Ph strips
that will tell you the right concentration. We also use Baking Soda to lower the Ph, or acidity of our chlorinated water.
Were I in your situation I would use the tub and clean it periodically with bleach water, not too much bleach, just enough to sanatize it if you are
using water that is not chlorinated.
Enjoy!
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Shari,
The hot tub looks great, thanks for the pictures. Can't wait to sit on the front porch and listen to the sea lions. See you soon. Lauri
What we see depends mainly on what we look for.
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" can have guests sign a waiver if they want to join us "
don't waste time with that, there is no tort liability in mexico like in states.
thank deus Mevin Belli didn't have a branch office full of abogados in mexico
i am looking forward to seeing this as it comes together. please continue to post status progress with good pics.
there is also a method of heating with a wood fired stove. redwood hot tubs of california used to sell complete kits and for wood fired heaters, cool
stuff but you need a good supply of hard wood.
if propane is avail cheap enough get a propane spa heater of 250K BTU and you can heat a 6 person spa pretty well. i get 6 - 7 good uses out of a 100
lb botttle here, 3 -4 hours a session .
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