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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Tough love? The guy is DEAD!
I was just fishing in that little town the day before. It's not much of a town but the more I go there it starts to grow on me. I walked around said
hi to as many cute girls as I could bought tacos, beer etc.
I'm starting to get to know some of the people too. In fact I went to Jose Rosa's house to talk about fishing the evening before we went out.
I really want to go back and fish with Jose and maybe Guillermo if 1 or 2 of you will split his megapanga with me.
But I'll probably fish with Jose Rosa again in a Diaz panga. He's my captain in Bola. He's like an uncle to me and teaches me how to fish there.
It's a town with people and maybe some are troubled and make mistakes. But still people. Some are very good people. |
That's the spirit fishbuck!
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tripledigitken
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The fact that the guy is dead is the point. If his actions were caused by Meth or something similar is the tragedy. Family intervention, not just
tolerating it could help in solving this problem both in Baja and here in the States.
I've seen families just throw their hands up and give up on those with addictions. Pot was different, meth kills.
Tough love can work given the resolve of the loved ones involved.
Ken
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shari
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that's the point...maybe tough love CAN work...but it sure aint immediate...we had a personal family encounter with meth and while I wouldn't call it
tough love...we did see to it that the family member "got help"....forced the person into recovery.....but it doesn't work for everyone and there are
often relapses...slip ups etc...I just don't think killing the kid was the answer. I talked to our comandante about the subject...and in a small
village...you do whatever you can to bring down the purp..short of killing him...if he ran over the cop...just disbling the vehicle and catching him
would have worked as he'd be encarcerated for attempted murder and be put away for a good long time...long enough to kick his addiction.
Fishbuck...I'm glad Jose Rosas is like an uncle to you...he's our favorite uncle for real! great people the whole family.
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woody with a view
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putting the guy in prison (because everyone knows there are no drugs there) might work, or not. but one thing's for sure, those cops made damn sure
the guy won't be making the mistake of running down people anymore.....how would feelings be different if a child was run over by the tweeker? would a
group hug suffice????would a group beating of the guy work????
tough love works. drug users will never stop until THEY want to stop. no amount of rehab works if the person can't wait to get high once they finish
"the program". heck, now there is one less guy for the cartel to hire....
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DianaT
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If he ran over the police officer, IMHO, the police did what they needed to do --- isn't it their job to protect others from being hurt? He could
have easily run over someone else.
Having lost a brother many years ago to the world of heroin and eventual suicide after many years of being in and out of prison for property crimes
committed to support his habit. I know this may sound cold, but while I mourned his death, there was also a relief involved. No longer in the small
town did I have to face his victims, including myself and other family members. His only violent crimes were against family.
Tough love works sometimes, but as stated before, it only works when the addicted person is ready and makes a choice to accept help. Prison? Drugs
are a major problem in prisons as is violence. Facing a long prison sentence is what put my brother over the edge to take his own life.
Yes, I always feel for the family who loses anyone, but I feel more for the victims. It is easy to get hooked on drugs which do take over one's
being, but getting help is a choice.
Sad for his family, yes, but the blame belongs with the young man, IMHO.
Diane
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toneart
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I remember that when Raquel was killed two years ago, the conjecture was that it was probably committed by a local tweaker who knew she and Larry were
heading north with money.
Has anyone ever been pinned to that crime? What about this guy? How many local tweakers can there be in such a small town? The police usually know who
is involved in what. I guess we will never know.
I am sorry if my question offends anyone but in my mind, those dots connect.
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
If he ran over the police officer, IMHO, the police did what they needed to do --- isn't it their job to protect others from being hurt? He could
have easily run over someone else.
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Yep, the policeman did what he had to do. The guy ran over his partner, and the other policeman - not knowing if he is next and how bad his partner
is hurt shot the guy to protect himself, his partner, and his community.
It sucks. But, life can be harsh if you make rash and foolish choices. If you try to hurt or kill someone, you may wind up getting hurt or killed
yourself. Thats just reality.
I feel bad for the tweaker and his family; but, I would have felt a lot different if one or two police had been run down and killed and there was a
desperate tweaker on the loose running around killing people.
Tough love, soft love; whatever, just don't try to kill or hurt other people. You reap what you sow.
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Mango
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toneart - you bring up a good point.
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Roasty
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We left BOLA Monday AM and did not hear of this incident, I noticed some people camping along the old RV park in front of Villa Vita, so this could
have been the campsite?
However we were talking to some local friends about the Raquel and Larry incident, and if you think 3 out of 8 hits is bad shooting what about 30
shots fired and not one hit Larry?
I know it was a tragic outcome/situation, but he's a very lucky guy in that respect.
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Bajajack
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
Well, they just charged the shooter with murder.
" Por César Córdova/EL VIGIA
2008-07-09 00:00:00
Ensenada, B.C. - Por el delito de homicidio calificado contra el civil Fernando Anaya Cortez, de 22 años de edad, el Comandante de la Policía
Municipal de Bahía de los ángeles, Adrián Rodríguez Torres, fue consignado al juzgado correspondiente la mañana de ayer.
La Agencia del Ministerio Público de la PGJE en San Quintín informó que la consignación se sustenta en las diligencias practicadas y en la declaración
de testigos..." |
Am I reading it wrong, is the cop who shot the tweeker actually being charged with homicide?
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Cypress
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Make no mistake about it, the guy would have killed the cop and anybody else that got in his way. He may or may not have had a twinge of conscius about it. More than likely he would have bragged to his fellow criminals about it and moved a notch or two up the criminal pecking order.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
Well, they just charged the shooter with murder |
This really stinks. I'll bet dollars to donuts that Cortez kid who was shot by the police chief had a rich family with connections. I believe in
Mexico "homicidio calificado" is the same as first degree murder, which requires premeditation, among other attributes.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
Well, they just charged the shooter with murder.
" Por César Córdova/EL VIGIA
2008-07-09 00:00:00
Ensenada, B.C. - Por el delito de homicidio calificado contra el civil Fernando Anaya Cortez, de 22 años de edad, el Comandante de la Policía
Municipal de Bahía de los ángeles, Adrián Rodríguez Torres, fue consignado al juzgado correspondiente la mañana de ayer.
La Agencia del Ministerio Público de la PGJE en San Quintín informó que la consignación se sustenta en las diligencias practicadas y en la declaración
de testigos..." |
Am I reading it wrong, is the cop who shot the tweeker actually being charged with homicide? |
Certainly must be a lot more to this story---will be interesting to see what comes out.
Can't imagine that if he ran over a police officer that the other police officer was not in the right shooting at the perp -- self-defense and
protecting the public, it seems.
Interesting, to say the least.
Diane
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Bajajack
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Something ain't Kosher
First of all cop's in mexico never ever ever get charged with homicide unless it's political or somebody has a lot of juice.
Makes no difference if he was right or wrong.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
First of all cop's in mexico never ever ever get charged with homicide unless it's political or somebody has a lot of juice.
Makes no difference if he was right or wrong. |
many cops in mexico are simply criminals with badges. poor dead guy was probably running away from a bad cop.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
First of all cop's in mexico never ever ever get charged with homicide unless it's political or somebody has a lot of juice.
Makes no difference if he was right or wrong. |
many cops in mexico are simply criminals with badges. poor dead guy was probably running away from a bad cop. |
That's what I was thinking. Maybe they were "in" on it. Sounds like the guy was running away. They know where he lived. Why chase him down and panic
him?
He lived there for 22 years. He would have gone home eventually.
What was the original charge? Speeding through town. I didn't know that was a shooting offense in Bola.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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David K
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I sure wish Mia could say something... as our eyes and ears in Bahia!
I asked her for input on her forum tonight, as well... 
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
many cops in mexico are simply criminals with badges. poor dead guy was probably running away from a bad cop. |
The one he ran over with his pickup up?
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Who knows what the real story is..... it's not like the press in Mexico is any more accurate the the press in the U.S. |
Either way I'd advise not "F"ing with the Mexican police. The cops in Brooklyn got away with shooting a guy 42 times while he tried to pull his
wallet out (too quickly I guess?) to show the cops (not even in uniform) who he was.
Right or wrong.. know your place and time.. sometimes you need to just ignore pride or righteousness and pay the piper(with the gun).
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Debra
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? Bad cops in Bahia? I THINK NOT!!! If they had to chase someone, there must have been a GOOD reason, then the bad guy runs over
another cop and his partner decides to shoot, not only to save his life, but perhaps the lives of the town folks............Go figure!?
I know this is trivia........but, last month while in Bahia, I stopped by the police station asking if they had seen my lost dog, the police went far
and above their duty and suggested that I go to Xitall's and get a photo made, and,took it on their own to offer to copy and make fliers to post all
over town for me! They even offered to help me in the search of my puppie. And DID! I got to know these guys over the couple of days my dog was
missing, and I assure all of you here, these are not bad cops, but, people that protect the village what ever the problem might be.......lost dog and
a paniced owner, or , perhaps a meth crazed idiot threatening homes and families.........they deserve our respect, I know they have mine!
Mean people suck!
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