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Bob and Susan
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i HATE to say this but...i agree with MrBill
this is nothing...
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
BajaGringo...you live a charmed life. I used the word fascist and my post was deleted. |
Several were deleted probably because it strayed off topic and became quite political.
But if one thinks about, almost all of the replies are off topic as the Fourth Admendment does not apply to the border---has been tested many times.
Probably Mr Bills and Baja Gringos, to mention a couple. What they are talking about just does not apply.
Baja Gringo, you said it very well and I agree but the border is different.
And Mr Bill, you are correct---the country has recovered back to the center before, and hopefully it will again. Thanks to the current
administration, we do live in dangerous times. But your reply had nothing to do with the topic since the loss of rights and abuse of power have
nothing to do with the set of rules that cover border crossings.
Diane
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
We are losing many of our basic civil rights over the past few decades and the blame falls on both sides of the political aisle.
If I were to list the latest abuses just since 9/11 however, but credit them to a different country and government you would call them fascist.
Think about that for a moment before making a knee-jerk partisan response.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
[Edited on 8-2-2008 by BajaGringo] |
Name one right you have lost. Fact is you have not lost any rights granted in the constitution.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Name one right you have lost. Fact is you have not lost any rights granted in the constitution. |
1) We lost the right to illegal search and seizure with the FISA bill which allows warrantless wiretapping.
Illegal search and seizure also occurs in roadblocks.
Illegal search and seizure of your laptop means that without cause or suspicion you may have all of your data confiscated as well as your device and
you may not it get back and you may be held without charges regardless of evidence of a crime.
2) We lost the right to freedom of speech in many locations such as public centers and party conventions with only designated zones far away from the
events.
3) We lost the right to Habeus Corpus which means that you can be held without charge or evidence or any statement for extended periods.
4) You may be named an enemy combatant and held for ever with no charges and no trial while you are tortured.
Can you think of any other recently lost rights? There are a few more.
Its good that we are talking about the recent executive orders which have greatly affected our ability to participate in our republic.
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Hook
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Here's one we discovered recently, after the sale of our house.
We wanted to move some of our proceeds into CDs at institutions paying more than our credit union.
But with the passage of the Patriot Act, a PO Box is not good enough as an established address. You must provide a physical address in the United
States to deposit money into an account insured by the FDIC. As we are in the process of moving to Mexico, we dont have a US street address. All
institutions denied us an account and pointed to the Patriot Act as the reason.
BTW, it's my understanding that you didnt qualify for the recent economic stimulus checks if you could only show a PO Box. I read of much dismay over
this in RV mags from people living on the road and only using a box or mail drop.
Pretty 1984 sounding to me............
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guadalupe
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gnukid beat me to making that point.
I have witnessed personally how government can abuse power and use the threat of national security to abuse personal libertys.
Because of that experience, perhaps I am just a bid jaded and overly sensitive. I will admit being that way and I think that it is important that one
is always watching what the government is doing and don't just believe that all is for our own good, just because they say so.
[Edited on 8-3-2008 by guadalupe]
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Name one right you have lost. Fact is you have not lost any rights granted in the constitution. |
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Name one right you have lost. Fact is you have not lost any rights granted in the constitution. |
Well, if you are saying that the first, second, fourth, fifth, sixth, eighth and tenth amendments to the constitution are not important, then you are
right - we haven't lost any rights guaranteed to us in the constitution, nor are any of those under attack.
I for one would like to keep those rights as originally written and intended. You may be happy as long as you have nothing more than your big-screen
TV and beer in the fridge. Some of us expect for our government to live up to and honor its own constitution.
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Bajabus
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Speaking of rights:
AP is reporting today that even if detainees are acquitted by military tribunals they may be held indefinitely by the govt.
http://tinyurl.com/6apw6b
| Quote: | "We would not house someone who has finished the military commissions process back ... with the general detainee population. They would be held
separate from the other detainees," said Thomas, who added he would not build a new prison.
The tribunals' deputy chief defense counsel, Michael Berrigan, said the possibility of acquitted men remaining confined here reveals the proceedings
as "show trials."
"What's the purpose here? Mr. Hamdan is going to be held until the government wants to release him," Berrigan said. "It really has no connection to
the underlying reality." |
I'm kinda thinking it was not the constitutions framers intent to indefinitely hold someone even after being acquitted in court.....I don't
know...just a gut feeling
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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vgabndo
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Both Mexico and the USA have a legal separation of church and state. In the US, however, we have had a government imposed national religion since the
1860's. The worst of it coming when the Catholics got the Pledge of Allegience made into a statement of national religion in the 1950's.
The loss of our constitutional freedoms didn't start with the neo-fascists.
The Mexican pledge by contrast...
Flag of México!
Legacy of our heroes,
Symbol of the unity
of our parents
and of our siblings,
we promise you to be always faithful
to the principles of liberty and justice
that make of our Homeland,
the independent,
humane and generous nation,
to which we dedicate
our existence.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Bajaboy
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Quit being so unpatriotic....our Constitution is not important when it comes to the war on terror. Put on your flag lapel and don't question our
grand leader....you might be thrown in jail.
zac
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