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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanluquëna
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Because it is not our business ....
Remember the Mexican Gov't  does not allow us to particapate in their politics
of corruption .. |
When you say "us" I guess you are referring the people here who are not Mexican citizens or married to Mexican citizens.
So, what about the rest? |
You are outnumbered
[Edited on 8-4-2008 by CaboRon]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanluquëna
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Democracy is having the vote. Power is counting the votes. |
Democracy is two foxes and a chicken voting on what's for lunch. The US is not a Democracy. It is a constitutional republic, as is Mexico. The
consitutution is a contract among the people that defines what powers the government has and what rights the people have, e.g. we can't vote to eat
all the chickens for lunch just because they are a minority.
The difference between the US and Mexico is that the US Constitution is real, Mexico's is just a piece of paper. |
exactly. Most Americans need to be reminded of that too.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanluquëna
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Democracy is having the vote. Power is counting the votes. |
Democracy is two foxes and a chicken voting on what's for lunch. The US is not a Democracy. It is a constitutional republic, as is Mexico. The
consitutution is a contract among the people that defines what powers the government has and what rights the people have, e.g. we can't vote to eat
all the chickens for lunch just because they are a minority.
The difference between the US and Mexico is that the US Constitution is real, Mexico's is just a piece of paper. |
exactly. Most Americans need to be reminded of that too. |
Really. Why? What difference will it make? What's the difference between the constitution and a chicken? They're both killed and cooked to
appease the hunger of somebody.
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openeyes
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Here is something for you to try.
I read both the Point Loma paper and the dailies out of TJ. in the morning.
It shows you how far beyond both help and repair Baja,Mexico is when it come to the crime issues. We in the states have oversight protection that
may sometimes be late in action but it is still always there. This time next year, All the tourists who are still there will be selling cheap and
running for the border.
Read between the lines folks. Mexico is the new Columbia and its going to get worse.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
This time next year, All the tourists who are still there will be selling cheap and running for the border.
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Your point is well-traveled here but, we arn't tourists. This is our home. Without you ever understanding why, we have hope.
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openeyes
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In Mexico, We will never be anything but tourists to the Mexicans. Tell yourself anything you want. They like us for the greenbacks and nothing else.
Its always funny when americans think they are "part of Mexico"
We are not,never will be and most Mexicans want us gone.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
In Mexico, We will never be anything but tourists to the Mexicans. Tell yourself anything you want. They like us for the greenbacks and nothing else.
Its always funny when americans think they are "part of Mexico"
We are not,never will be and most Mexicans want us gone. |
That's bullcrap. I may not be part of the Mexicans but, I am part of Mexico. I'm not a tourist. In my community I'm respected as any resident.
I understand the resentment that Mexicans have for us. We, through history, earned some of it although I must agree, it's been overdone.
Furthermore, I'm more concerned with what I think of myself than what others think of me and that includes you. You've posted twice here with the
evident mission to tell us, the expatriots in Baja, how blind and misled we are. Personally, I don't need your advice or commentary. Why don't
you attend to the problems in your own community. Judgeing from your attitude, you could start with yourself.
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openeyes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
In Mexico, We will never be anything but tourists to the Mexicans. Tell yourself anything you want. They like us for the greenbacks and nothing else.
Its always funny when americans think they are "part of Mexico"
We are not,never will be and most Mexicans want us gone. |
That's bullcrap. I may not be part of the Mexicans but, I am part of Mexico. I'm not a tourist. In my community I'm respected as any resident.
I understand the resentment that Mexicans have for us. We, through history, earned some of it although I must agree, it's been overdone.
Furthermore, I'm more concerned with what I think of myself than what others think of me and that includes you. You've posted twice here with the
evident mission to tell us, the expatriots in Baja, how blind and misled we are. Personally, I don't need your advice or commentary. Why don't
you attend to the problems in your own community. Judgeing from your attitude, you could start with yourself. |
You could use a lesson in manners my friend. Seems to me I am talking to the big loud american my Mexican friends have told me about. So this is where
you have been hiding.
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DENNIS
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I'm not your friend.
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sanluquëna
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Justo Buenvantura backs up Polito
The recently dismissed director of the Baja state police, Justo Buenvantura Jaimes Villarreal, has backed up General Polito and has stated that the
Director of Public Security, Daniel De la Rosa Anaya, never let Buenvantura take the necessary steps to do what was needed to fight crime. It was
General Polito who yesterday accused De la Rosa of complicity in criminal activity in Baja, along with state Attorney General Rommel.
http://el-mexicano.info/nota.aspx?idNota=314083&esSecc=t...
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
[Edited on 8-5-2008 by grover] |
retake, retake, retake.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
my Mexican friends have told me about. |
Funny, I don't think us mexicans have trolls like openeyes (or fulanos, memos, palmetos, sanluqueñas or foncho uncles) as friends 
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
In Mexico, We will never be anything but tourists to the Mexicans. Tell yourself anything you want. They like us for the greenbacks and nothing else.
Its always funny when americans think they are "part of Mexico"
We are not,never will be and most Mexicans want us gone. |
There has been foreign influences in Mexico for eons. Yes some of it good and some of it bad. In fact - Mexican, Canadian, and US past, present, and
future history all intertwine and overlap quite a bit. In the USA I live in a town named after a Frenchman and live on a street named after a
Spaniard.
Ever heard of the Mexican Mennonites from Canada, Cortez from Spain, the Frenchman named Maximilian, Germans, Chinese, and African Slaves, etc..
etc..?
All of these people and more have played a major role and left their marks in Mexico's past and present. They will continue to play a role in the
future of the country as well.
I've traveled all over Mexico and been surprised at some of the people I've seen. A white blue eyed cab driver in a small mountain town in Puebla, an
elderly black man in Campeche (that wanted to practice one of his five known languages with me - and told me of German spies during WWII!), entire
regions where native dialects where the norm, all the Chinese in Mexicali, the great German beer, the French bakeries, the weird to me Mennonites in
in town to get supplies, etc..
Sure, some people stand out and may not be "appreciated" by everyone everywhere. Thats the same anywhere in the world, even within Mexico. If people
from Mexico City go anywhere in the country besides DF they stand out and are often not "welcome" because they are "chilangos" from the "big city".
The same thing happens to people from Boston, the deep south, California, people of different races, etc..here in the USA all the time.
True, most gringos stand out and are misunderstood as often as they themselves misunderstand. On the mainland, everyone thinks I'm German, that never
happens in Baja. People are strange... the key thing is... some people, be they Mexicans, Gringos, Germans, or Africans just "get it" and
unfortunately many people around the world just don't "get it" and never look beyond the surface.
Generally, the longer you are someplace, the less people will think your out of place... even if they think you're weird or quirky. Those weird pale
skinned Mennonite women in their old-fashioned dresses only got weird looks from the weird gringo passing through. It was strange to me so see them
waiting at the bus stop in a dusty little town; but, the other locals didn't even think twice about them.
Plenty of different people are "part of Mexico" weather anyone "gets it" or about it. The people and influences are there, have been there, and can
not be erased.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
my Mexican friends have told me about. |
Funny, I don't think us mexicans have trolls like openeyes (or fulanos, memos, palmetos, sanluqueñas or foncho uncles) as friends |
That's a pretty broad statement .... how do you know ???
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Funny, I don't think us mexicans have trolls like openeyes (or fulanos, memos, palmetos, sanluqueñas or foncho uncles) as friends |
Anyone missing in this line up
And how many a*sholes are we actually talking about ?
No way for Doug to spot these jerks before they post ?
He did spot my double posting a few months back and had me remove one of my personalities off the board.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
He did spot my double posting a few months back and had me remove one of my personalities off the board. |
Aw shucks, Ed....You're still "Ed in Nopolo" to those who care. Doug can't take away your birthday.
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Now now boys and girls don't feed the trolls. Just trying to do my part. I'm such a wuss...
Edit: Just adding that I am a BIG WUSS!
[Edited on 8-5-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanluquëna
The recently dismissed director of the Baja state police, Justo Buenvantura Jaimes Villarreal, has backed up General Polito and has stated that the
Director of Public Security, Daniel De la Rosa Anaya, never let Buenvantura take the necessary steps to do what was needed to fight crime. It was
General Polito who yesterday accused De la Rosa of complicity in criminal activity in Baja, along with state Attorney General Rommel.
http://el-mexicano.info/nota.aspx?idNota=314083&esSecc=t... |
Well, Suprise, Suprise
CaboRon
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sanluquëna
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Una bola de babosas
Do you know what the Baja California government has done about all those serious accusations from General Polito? Start an investigation? Fire
somebody? Shoot a burro?
Naw. They've done absolutely NADA.
Well, I take that back, the governor of Baja, Osuna Millán, did ask the federal attorney general to investigate it all. I
guess he has discharged his duties as the highest elected offcial in the state by asking somebody to look into it.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/06082...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanluquëna
Do you know what the Baja California government has done about all those serious accusations from General Polito? Start an investigation? Fire
somebody? Shoot a burro?
Naw. They've done absolutely NADA.
Well, I take that back, the governor of Baja, Osuna Millán, did ask the federal attorney general to investigate it all. I
guess he has discharged his duties as the highest elected offcial in the state by asking somebody to look into it.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/06082... |
Is the state governor in a position to investigate federal officials?
I have no idea.
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