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comitan
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Here we Go!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Cypress
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Bajaboy, You're right! I'm not qualified to talk about medical matters.  My
expertise? Fishing? Yea ! I can tell you a story or two.  How 'bout going
out in the morning and catching 1,500 lbs. of fish(red snapper) before noon. Hook and line, in over 100 ' of water, crew of three, those 4/0 Penns
would smoke. Your arms would hurt! Now, under the current laws and
regulations you can keep 4 fish that fit within some sort of size limit. Expertise? Naugh!
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Russ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Bajaboy, Personal attack? I don't even know Skeet, for what it's worth, he's got lot's of stories and knowlege about way back when. That's a good thing. He ought to write a book. But I do know something about fisheries. His concept of fisheries is wrong, dead wrong and to patronize him is doing a
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Well said!
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Bajaboy
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Excellent-I'm all ears. And I do agree with much of what you say. Just hate to see people attacking one another...myself included. Please continue
to inform....
Zac
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Cardon Man
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Bajaboy, Personal attack? I don't even know Skeet, for what it's worth, he's got lot's of stories and knowlege about way back when. That's a good thing. He ought to write a book. But I do know something about fisheries. His concept of fisheries is wrong, dead wrong and to patronize him is doing a
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Right on Cypress. I could not agree more.
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Russ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
"The Sea of Cortez is Ruined"..THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!!
So Cardon Man"Prove me Dead Wrong!!!!
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 I too saw the fisheries in '68 in the SOC. It is a fact that my memory is
something very flawed.But there has been a huge decline in the numbers of resident fishes. I've been here nearly full time the last 15 years. I would
love to "prove" you wrong but it is not possible. Our best professionals, scientist or those that claim to Know the condition of any fishery have been
consistently wrong. Your example;
"Yes in some Fisheries, they have been completely lost, such as the "True Cod" in the Bay at Seattle. Yes there has been a slow down and some Loss on
the Columbia River."
I lived in Kitsap county WA. from '80 to '92 and watched those two examples take place. And before that I lived in Laguna Beach and lived through the
decline of So. Cal. fisheries while the experts "protected" the resources.
I'm certainly not a trained professional in fisheries management (Is that an oxymarooon?). And I'm not saying, "The Sea of Cortez is Ruined". BUT, I
am saying that the Sea of Cortez fisheries has seen a MAJOR decline in just the 10 or so years I've lived here full time. Proof, not likely, but
opinions of the pongeros and my observations. Skeet, I'm glad your opinion/observations are so rosy. I literally pray you're right and I'm wrong.
Since "we" are a kinder and gentler Nomad today I'll just say you are a jewel. |
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fishbuck
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Alright all you thread jackers quit messing up Shari's thread!
Anyway, I was thinking of why B. Asuncion is so special. When I fished there with Juan. I caught my yellowtail and a bunch of other fish less than a
mile from the beach. We only fished for a couple of hours and had a pile of fish in the boat.
I've caught yellowtail in alot of different places and it usually requires a long boat ride. That plus we were the only boat on the water.
That was the most pure, best feeling fishing day I have ever had.
Top that off with a sushi fest at Juan and Shari's and it's pure magic.
And Fishbuck Adventures still has seats available for a private flight down there on Sept 13-15. About a 3.5 hour flight and share expense estimate is
about $250 each.
I think it's about a 10+ hour drive from the border. Flying is so much more relaxing. And way funner!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Bajalover
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Shari, great pics. Have fun with the Fiestas. Wish I could be there. YT -- ummmm!
Sometimes you really do question; why you are and where you are.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Well, I dont know squat about the state of the fishery here or in the gulf....but I don't feel that 8 fish between 2 or 3 fishers is too much...people
that have been very nice to us get their kindness repaid finally with a lovely fresh yellowtail that will feed their whole family.
I was happy to give a fish to a wonderful woman with a huge family who always feeds me when I go to her place just to ask a question or favor, and
felt great to gift a nice fish to the police chief too.
We are fortunate here not to have to go far to get into fish and enjoy sharing good times and good food with our friends.
And now, the latest update from the tournament...Barb just called us on the cell from the secret spot and told us Juan caught a BIG fish...over 30
pounds that we hope is a winner!!!
Todays fish feeds the town!
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Iflyfish
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Keep the pics coming Shari!
For those who are interested in the issue of how Shari and Juan use the fish that they catch, I watched them share fish with their community and serve
it to their friends. I saw no waste nor over fishing. These people love their community and husband their resources very carefully. This is not true
in all fishing communities in the Baja, nor on the mainland for that matter. This community and it's Cooperative are doing a great job in protecting
it's vital resource. This is not true in all ports in Baja, nor on the ports on the mainland.
As to the Skeets inflamatory comments and put downs to those who are interested in protecting our enviornment, He errs when he alludes to there not
being a problem in the Pacific Northwest with Salmon. The Sacramento River run was so low that the ENTIRE Pacific Coast was closed to Salmon fishing
to protect this fragile run that along with many subspecies of Salmon on the Columbia and it's tributaries either are at risk for or have become
extinct. The sort of polemic that he uses is inflamatory and elicits this sort of rebuttle. We live in an era of diminishing resources and anyone who
does not realize this simply has their head in the sand!
Iflyfish
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Porky Pig
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fishing tourney
Shari, will you be posting the tournament results, pictures? Here on Nomads or on your website? We have about half a dozen Cielito Lindo residents
fishing down there and are interested in seeing if they are the great fishermen they claim to be.
Thanks, Dave & Juanita
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Cardon Man
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Skeeter... your argument in favor of thriving fish populations in the Sea Of Cortez flies in the face of the observations of every old timer I know. I
have a number of friends who began commercial fishing the 'Cortez back in the 1950's long before even you arrived on the scene. To a man, they lament
the massive changes in the fishery and great decline in many of the species. Sure, you can still catch a glimpse here and there of former glory.
Thankfully, there are still some fantastic fishing opportunities in the 'Cortez if you know how/where to find them. But you stand alone if you
believe the fishery is anything like it was "back in the day".
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Hola Porky...yes, I met 3 of your compañeros yesterday at the registration party..they are LOVIN it here and have been having a splendid experience...
I will be going down to the Tournament beer tent soon to watch the boats come in and wait with baited breath to see who wins the big prize! I will be
posting photos and results asap.
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rbwrivers
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Can't wait for results and pics! Go Juan!!!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Well, I dont know squat about the state of the fishery here or in the gulf....but I don't feel that 8 fish between 2 or 3 fishers is too much...people
that have been very nice to us get their kindness repaid finally with a lovely fresh yellowtail that will feed their whole family.
I was happy to give a fish to a wonderful woman with a huge family who always feeds me when I go to her place just to ask a question or favor, and
felt great to gift a nice fish to the police chief too.
We are fortunate here not to have to go far to get into fish and enjoy sharing good times and good food with our friends.
And now, the latest update from the tournament...Barb just called us on the cell from the secret spot and told us Juan caught a BIG fish...over 30
pounds that we hope is a winner!!!
Todays fish feeds the town! |
We don't fish and yesterday John cooked and we enjoyed a nice baked yellowtail----wonder where we got it. 
We were surprised to see more gringos this year--took a few very early morning pix of some of the boats going out. Will post some later. --- Shari,
I am sure will post the winning fish---right now she is probably meditating with visions of Juan with the winning fish.
Has been a fun fiesta week.
Diane
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Cypress
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Shari, Catching a few fish and sharing them with friends, it doesn't get any better than that. Your community has a lot at stake in conserving and preserving their wonderful resources. Beware of the gill netters, the long liners, and the night divers.The Sea of Cortez is like the canary in the cage, the Pacific Ocean is big, but coastal zones aren't. Good luck with
the tournament, they call 'em "Fishing Rodeos" in some areas.
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Diver
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Cypress,
You must never have been to Asuncion.
The coops have look-outs all up and down the beach, day and night, checking for illegal fishing.
These guys are serious about guarding, protecting and enhancing their fishing territory.
Although some depletion of the resident fish population is probably inevitable, the majority of fish caught are migrating species that are chasing
migrating bait.
After a few days of no catching for me, I was thrilled when Juan offered us a nice YT for dinner !
Thank goodness there are better fishermen around than me !!
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Cypress
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Diver, You're right about my having not been to Asuncion, my loss. Wish 'em all
the luck in the world in maintaining their community. Coast watchers 24/7.
That's a major commitment.  Curious. If they see illegal fishing activities who do they call? What is the response?
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Skeet/Loreto
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Shjari: I am sorry that I started a problem with this thread.
Sometimes us Old Timers cannot keep their Temper when so much False Information is being Spread.
Good Luck and God Bless you and your Family and Friends
Skeet/Loreto
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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FYI...both fishing coops here have vigilancia...a patrol both by sea and land 24/7 which comes out of the fishermen's paychecks...but they realize the
value of this as poaching has been a big problem in the past. The governor today promised more help in this area with motors and vehicles. When a
poacher is caught, the marines are called to assist (they are from a local base here) to arrest at gunpoint and take the perps to jail). It is very
effective.
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