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Russ
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Halboo , I enjoyed that U Tube video. Great pictures of good people. The line "White man in a golf shirt with a cell phone" I know that probably
isn't an exact quote but it conjures up a very scary image.
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woody with a view
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This fence is NOT on the border. It is 3 miles INSIDE the border.
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those rascally mexicans can really throw a chunk of concrete further than anyone ever imagined. may become an olympic event soon!
[Edited on 8-22-2008 by woody in ob]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
One more time for the inattentive; This fence is NOT on the border. It is 3 miles INSIDE the border. |
Well, since the real border is a riverbed/ swamp/ could be a river again, the expensive wall was naturally moved to solid ground where it will last
more than one year... maybe?
That would be one of the few smart things I have heard the government do with our money!
I am just guessing it is inside the U.S. territory because Mexico wouldn't let us build it on their side of the border... That's just a guess on my part...
If the wall upsets some of you, perhaps your anger sould be directed at those who break our border crossing rules and not our government who's prime
constitutional duty is to protect us from foreign invasion/ attack. 
Peace out amigos!
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Eugenio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
Can you believe some of these people posting here wondering why we need a fence.
WAKE UP ********** PEOPLE. |
Why would anyone hold grudges against a people dedicated to saving trout. Are we to start deporting catch/release fishermen as well?
[Edited on 9-1-2008 by BajaNomad]
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woody with a view
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Why would anyone hold grudges against a people dedicated to saving trout. Are we to start deporting catch/release fishermen as well?
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are you refering to the elusive mexican brown trout?
 
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
One more time for the inattentive; This fence is NOT on the border. It is 3 miles INSIDE the border. |
Well, since the real border is a riverbed/ swamp/ could be a river again, the expensive wall was naturally moved to solid ground where it will last
more than one year... maybe?
That would be one of the few smart things I have heard the government do with our money!
I am just guessing it is inside the U.S. territory because Mexico wouldn't let us build it on their side of the border... That's just a guess on my part...
If the wall upsets some of you, perhaps your anger sould be directed at those who break our border crossing rules and not our government who's prime
constitutional duty is to protect us from foreign invasion/ attack.
Peace out amigos! |
David,
The fence is placed on US soil for the same reason that the border checkpoint is actually on US soil .... so that if you are busted at the check
point or caught climbing the wall there is no discussion about whether you are a criminal or not... the infraction happened in the US .... no CS
defense about whether the perp was in Mexico or the US ... no defense to the charges.
CaboRon
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flyfishinPam
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Oso,
didn't you say the fence goes NORTH-SOUTH not east-west? is this near the portion of the border of AZ-MEX that runs North-South? from what point to
what point does the fence run? when was it built? it is complete or will there be more fence constructed?
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flyfishinPam
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I'm seeing that portion of the border looks North-South in orientation but I'm not familiar with the area.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=gadsden+arizona&...
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Oso
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Yes, the border here is North-South between AZ and BC at the bottom "hook" of SW AZ. We are actually due South of Algodones, BC. David's point is
somewhat valid in that it would be impractical to build the fence in the middle of the river. but it is several miles east of the river with several
square miles of privately owned farmland in the US on the other side of the fence as well as county owned land proposed for a public recreation area.
The fence is under construction and it appears that the location along a canal levee road was chosen for the convenience of fast patrol by BP
vehicles. I see at least one opening that looks like it's planned for a gate. I guess I'll find out more 9/1/08 when dove season opens. I guess I'm
going to have to show proof of citizenship without leaving my own country. BTW, I was turned on to my favorite dove-hunting area BY a BP agent. I
have no animosity toward them and usually enjoy pleasant conversations when hunting in this area. Sometimes they will ask me to step out and walk a
few feet in the sand so they can get a fix on my footprints in order to distinguish them from possible mojados. Their skill at "sign cutting" is
something I admire and would love to learn if I could get into one of their classes. I'll try to take a close-up of the fence later. The vertical
steel bars seem less vulnerable to bolt-cutters than chain-link, but I predict it won't take long before the mojaditos figure out that a bumper jack
from a yonke can spread them enough for a reasonably slim person to slip through. For that matter, a reasonably athletic person with good upper-body
strength could probably scale it and hop over. Or, as our Guv Janet said, "Show me a 10 foot fence and I'll show you an 11 foot ladder."
[Edited on 8-23-2008 by Oso]
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beercan
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Bear!!! I waited at the airport fer yew !!!
I flew over the "new fence" without the Bear and as best I could follow the river. It (the fence) is only approximately 1/4 mile inside our border,
not 3 miles as earlier described. There are access gates (openings) for farm equipment , but the fields to the West of the fence at the widest
point were only 10 to 40 acres.
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Oso
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Bob, it looked like more than 1/4 mile to me. (but "several hundred square miles" was wrong, I'm sure) Did it look like they've started anything on
the proposed Hunter's hole rec area? I did see the openings where I guess they'll put gates. I'm still concerned but hopeful that it will work out
ok.
Sorry bout the no show. You caught me after happy hour...
[Edited on 8-23-2008 by Oso]
[Edited on 8-23-2008 by Oso]
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bacquito
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I have always felt the fence was a wrong idea. It makes it more difficult for the illegal who just wants to pack lettuce or find similiar work to
enter our country but it is not going to stop terriorist or drug dealers. They can fly in their illegal produce or build submarines. What we need is a
good guest worker program similiar to the Brazero program.
bacquito
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palmeto99
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Why can we not have both.
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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acadist
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
This just in from Newsmadeup.com;
Recent rumours have been confirmed;
White House spokesmen confirmed early today that the proposed 3 mile wide "Borderline Preservation Zone" will be stocked with native birds and used
for private hunts by "authorized" parties only.
A 48,000 square foot lodge will be built overlooking former favorite "illegal" crossing spots and is anticipated to cost approximately 146 billion
dollars. Spokesman also confirmed that the cost would be added to the National Debt following the printing of sufficient "paper" to overpay
contractors and other interested parties.
Additional details will .... not be forthcoming. |
Stocked with Dick Chaney's friends?
Dave
I moved to CO and they made me buy a little rod to make it feel like a real fish
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Oso
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As always, I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. I have to retract my bumper jack comment. From a distance, I thought the bars looked like 1" or 2"
square stock. Upon closer examination, they are made of quite substantial angle iron. Not even the skinniest mojadito will squeeze through that bad
boy. It ends just north of Gadsden. There will be vehicle barriers from there to? The top edge of the plate doesn't look any more hospitable than
razor wire either.
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Mexitron
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A torch could cut through that I would imagine...
...interestingly, in Texas, the majority of landowners on the border (including some quite wealthy Republicanos) feel that a border fence is a slap
in the face to their Mexican compadres...they've had a generally good working relationship with Mexico and the few scofflaws haven't seemed to mar
that situation. Curious isn't it, from a state that is about as undyingly patriotic as it gets.
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Oso
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They can also tunnel under it. But either procedure takes time and supposedly BP trucks will be patrolling along the levee road regularly.
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bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
Why can we not have both. |
I believe the fence to be a costly venture that will serve little purpose and will be costly to maintain. I think it sends a wrong message-"stay out
we don't want you". Far better simply to have a guest worker program. Hopefully our nation will continue to expand and we will need foreign workers.
bacquito
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Oso
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Hunted a bit on the other side of the fence this morning. Access is difficult but not impossible. Got there late and hadn't done my homework.
Shoulda pre-scouted but didn't get around to it. My bad. Never got to my favorite spot, "Hunter's Hole". No way to get a vehicle across the canal
anywhere in San Luis or Gadsden. Had to settle for parking east of the canal and walking over a bridge. A few birds there (next to Gadsden) but a
lot of company. As usual, lots of CA tags. Stopped a BP agent and found out there are 3 open bridge gates, but all north of Gadsden; 17th, 14th and
7th. That means going through the Cocopah Rez. Not sure if they'll let me through if I say I'm just passing through and not hunting ON the Rez. I
don't feel like paying $55 for a tribal permit.
Have to admit the design seems effective for that locale. To come across anywhere south of Gadsden, You have to get across the canal, then a
well-graded levee road that allows for high speed patrols, then somehow over the fence and then another canal.
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They should just make it legal to hunt illegals. They would be alot more fun to shoot than little birds, have a lot more meat on em and no feathers to
pluck. Plus it would generate alot of revenue selling the licences!
Work is just something I do to keep me buzy between baja trips!
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