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Don Alley
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We caught a few silver salmon in the 1960s on a party boat out of Oxnard. They seemed to have schooled up off the Santa Clara River there. Biologist
Milton Love (UCSB) puts their southernmost range to Punta Camalu in Baja California. But they are uncommon south of Monterrey, where the southernmost
spawning stream is.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
which do you reach for? i have tried them both and can't/don't really remember any difference |
Texture of wild vs farm is the first give away. Odd color of farm raised is second clue. Taste is noticably different.
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Sharksbaja
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My mistake
Oops sorry, I do like sockeye , that should have read "pink salmon" in my last post. (sigh) Anyhoo, the reddest salmon tissue yields the best flavor
imo.
Some Kings(chinook) become mottled with white areas of tissue.
Very interesting and while some claim this not-so-common occurance makes for a better tasting fish, I would debate that.
Carotenoids are the responsible factor determining a fishes tissue coloration tho genetics play a role.
The tissue as noted is induced in farmed salmon. Nobody would eat gray salmon.
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I am intrigued by the range south that salmon sometimes visit. As dorado and billfish sometimes stray into the PNW, one can assume that salmon can be
found in odd regions as well occasionally.
It's a curious scenario. I can't image how salmon could fare in the lower latitudes where river water temperature runs considerably higher. Perhaps
that was their demise in Mexico so many years ago.
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The talk about sush in restaurants is something many folks just assume is a wholesome product. Maybe it is. It surely won't kill you immediately.
I guess I've lost faith in the processors to deliver something other than preserved or treated foodstuffs. If you dig deep into that realm you may be
quite suprised
MSG in sushi?
So it gets a little complicated. People are getting or have been, hooked on foods containing MSG. Other ingedients include benzoates, sorbitol, other
chemicals as well that help maintain the product.
You should be the judge. Just thought you should know.
MSG
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
We caught a few silver salmon in the 1960s on a party boat out of Oxnard. They seemed to have schooled up off the Santa Clara River there. Biologist
Milton Love (UCSB) puts their southernmost range to Punta Camalu in Baja California. But they are uncommon south of Monterrey, where the southernmost
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I didn't want to mention what I wasn't sure I had remembered but, I have heard of the rare occurance of salmon being caught in local waters. I'll
talk with Ivan Villarino today and see what he knows.
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David K
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Guys, if you have a fish question... check out Gene Kira's 'MexFish.com' site... He has a list of all fish found off Baja, with photos...
Under Chinook Salmon:
 Chinook Salmon, Oncorhynchus tshawytscha: Baja California salmon catch report, from Castro's Camp, at Erendira, south of
Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico, by Chris Kugel: "I just got back today from Castro's Camp...Oscar Barrios who is the skipper of the Don Castro,
caught the first king salmon of the season...The man on the right, holding the salmon, is Oscar Barrios...There is no real season for salmon, that I
know of, but during the winter and up to and through April, salmon are caught at Castro's. I would have to guess on the number, but from what I have
seen and what the skippers tell me, about two dozen fish are caught during a season "winter." I caught one last year, throwing a Krocodile at breaking
white seabass. It was about the same size as the one pictured, 10 to 12 pounds. I caught that fish in Feb. of 2004. The salmon in the picture and the
one I caught where the same, and all the ones I have seen caught at Castro's looked the same. I am not a salmon expert, but was told that these fish
are kings.
 Chinook Salmon, Oncorhynchus tshawytscha: Cutter Clotfelter with a salmon caught midsummer 1998, at San Quintin, Baja
California, Mexico halfway between the punta and Isla San Martin. Clotfelter said the rare salmon hit a trolled Rapala, on a windy day while the boat
was enroute to the island. Photo courtesy Gregg Stapp.
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Santiago
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Didn't someone post a picture of a salmon being caught off Cabo a few years ago? Locals couldn't identify it. Same year as the Dorado caught in
Alaska.
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Don Alley
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In the 1960s, Channel Islands Sportshing in Oxnard (CISCO) added a new sportfishing boat that came south from, if I remember correctly, Westport
Oregon. I can't remember the boats name but I think the Captain was named Howard Hood. For a while he specifically targeted salmon off Ventura,
instructing anglers in the "mooching" technique used up north, and for a few weeks (memory fails me here) salmon were caught in modest numbers but
with regularity. The captain suggested that perhaps that was not a fluke, it just took an effort to target these fish with the right techniques n the
right place.
However, the fishery does not seem to have been sustained-although I don't closely follow fishing in that area I have heard nothing of salmon catches
on the message boards.
Waters off northern Baja are cold, often colder than water farther north, and would be suitable for feeding salmon, but they would have to journey far
to the north at spawning time to reproduce. Although I have read here on BN about some kind of stream flowing into the ocean near the Trump Resort?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
Although I have read here on BN about some kind of stream flowing into the ocean near the Trump Resort? |
They stock that one with brown trout. yummy
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Isn't the farm that is close to the TRUMP resort also close to the two sewage effluents coming out of Tijuana?
Udo
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vacaenbaja
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The confluence of the Rio Orin and the Rio Cacamucho? That would be the Donalds resort at "Cerote City" I believe.
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Ok...so I went to the freezer and got out the bag of frozen Costco Salmon we picked up last week. The Bar-B-Qued fillets, marinated in lemon pepper,
olive oil & various spices were muy delisioso...firm & flavorful (and good cold the next morning) The bag says on the front
ATLANTIC SALMON with 4% salt and water solution.
On the back, in much smaller print:
Ingredients:
Farm-raised Atlantic Salmon. Water, Salt color added.
Product of Chile.
Salmon/tuna trivia: My mom says that when canned tuna was first introduced, the buying public, accustomed to pink canned salmon, were skeptical.
Advertisers claimed their tuna was "guaranteed not to turn pink in the can" 
Disclaimer: I have no idea if that story is true
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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Cypress
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Baja Salmon? 'Bout like finding a needle in a haystack. Jeez, the resident fish
are nearly gone, might as well fish for Salmon. I'd be looking a tad futher north
for Salmon. Alaska maybe?
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
Ok...so I went to the freezer and got out the bag of frozen Costco Salmon we picked up last week. The Bar-B-Qued fillets, marinated in lemon pepper,
olive oil & various spices were muy delisioso...firm & flavorful (and good cold the next morning) The bag says on the front
ATLANTIC SALMON with 4% salt and water solution.
On the back, in much smaller print:
Ingredients:
Farm-raised Atlantic Salmon. Water, Salt color added.
Product of Chile.
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SEE!
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
Ok...so I went to the freezer and got out the bag of frozen Costco Salmon we picked up last week. The Bar-B-Qued fillets, marinated in lemon pepper,
olive oil & various spices were muy delisioso...firm & flavorful (and good cold the next morning) The bag says on the front
ATLANTIC SALMON with 4% salt and water solution.
On the back, in much smaller print:
Ingredients:
Farm-raised Atlantic Salmon. Water, Salt color added.
Product of Chile.
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nothing else....
Just stating the facts about Costco salmon...As I commented...it was delicious...I will buy it again, but the "Product of Chile" surprised me.
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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DENNIS
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There is a ton of info on farmed salmon on Google. Here's just one:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040109072244.ht...
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When I went backpacking a few years ago in San Pedro martir up in the mountains I cought rainbow trout and saw turtoise in the streams up there it was
amazing.
Never did see any Salmon runs mmmmmmm
READY SET.....................
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
Ok...so I went to the freezer and got out the bag of frozen Costco Salmon we picked up last week. The Bar-B-Qued fillets, marinated in lemon pepper,
olive oil & various spices were muy delisioso...firm & flavorful (and good cold the next morning) The bag says on the front
ATLANTIC SALMON with 4% salt and water solution.
On the back, in much smaller print:
Ingredients:
Farm-raised Atlantic Salmon. Water, Salt color added.
Product of Chile.
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nothing else....
Just stating the facts about Costco salmon...As I commented...it was delicious...I will buy it again, but the "Product of Chile" surprised me.
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Okey doke, just curious. 
Q: Do you know what a Patagonian toothfish is?
A: Chilean seabass
Please do not buy this fish.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
Ok...so I went to the freezer and got out the bag of frozen Costco Salmon we picked up last week. The Bar-B-Qued fillets, marinated in lemon pepper,
olive oil & various spices were muy delisioso...firm & flavorful (and good cold the next morning) The bag says on the front
ATLANTIC SALMON with 4% salt and water solution.
On the back, in much smaller print:
Ingredients:
Farm-raised Atlantic Salmon. Water, Salt color added.
Product of Chile.
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| Quote: | The only sea bass I buy any more I usualy get at the Ensenada fish market. It is commonly known as MERO. Muy Muy bueno. Have the fish monger cut out
the center bone so you end up with four loins. Leave the skins on. Once home, cut out the skins and marinate them for 6 hours in lime juice and
chipotle pepper sauce. Add to 375 degree oil for a few seconds and you have deep fried seafood chicharrones. Do the same with freshly shucked abalone.
After the first taste you won't care what they cost!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Didn't someone post a picture of a salmon being caught off Cabo a few years ago? Locals couldn't identify it. Same year as the Dorado caught in
Alaska. |
I clearly remember the story in Western Outdoor News about a guy who caught a salmon off Cabo San Lucas. I think he was on a long range boat out of
SD. Seems to me it was about 10 years ago, or so.
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