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Eugenio
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Yes - well said JaraHurd - the article stands by itself - it has good elements - and bad - visavis corruption in Mexico - it's also anecdotal.
I guess my issue is with the (usual) pundits who throw out purely anecdotal events or experiences - and then (I guess) expect us to connect some dots
and arrive at some "macro" conclusion or statement. I wish they would be more forthcoming on the macro part first - and then support it.
There are organizations (transparency.org amongst others) that try to survey/compare corruption internationally. But that's another theme.
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Crusoe
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TW-You have completely misread and misinterpreted my post. Captain Michael Sullivan has been accused of possesion of cocaine, wrongful use of cocaine
and obstruction of justice. Not drug trafficking. So...The moral question is.....If a person purchases cocaine from a drug dealer is he guilty of drug
trafficking in any form?......And JuraHard.....Coast Gaurd Captain Michael Sullivan is very far from any kind of "Fighting Man".He lives in a climate
controlled wheelhouse of a 400 ft. ship and is served and eats three meals meals a day of the best food that money can buy in the Officers Quarters,
complete with all white linen and the finest of deserts.He hangs out and sleeps in his Captains Cabin drinking the finest of fine Cal. wines and
doing "who else knows what" (blo)?His surperiors want to get rid of him. This is very obvious. Why else woud they rake him over the coals and throw
him under the bus before he has even had a trial? Canadain radio stations and German newspapers are reporting and claiming that this is just the tip
of the iceburg. He claims to have damaging evidence of higher ups and of prominent San Fran. businessmen and republican polticians. Iran
Contra....Oliver North...Hello-Hello-Hello!!! ++C++
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David K
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Crusoe, why did you inject the Sullivan story into egl's thread about the Tecate policeman's murder?
The Sullivan story is off topic, and not related to the murder of a Mexican law enforcement agent.
Just wondering what your motives were or how it connects, because I don't see it, other than a political thing as Jara Hurd mentioned...?
[Edited on 9-9-2008 by David K]
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JaraHurd
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Crusoe..once again you have very little idea what you are talking about. I served five of my six years in the USCG on the USCGC Boutwell (WHEC-719).
It is exactly the same type of cutter/SHIP as the Morganthau (sp?) which this disgraced captain recently served on. EVERY Coast Guardsperson is a part
of our military and as such is an AMERICAN FIGHTING PERSON. When I was in the Coast Guard, my job specialty was SONAR TECHNICIAN. We had six TORPEDO
launchers on our ship (the sonar and torpedo tubes were later removed many years after I left service). Although they were not state of the art
WEAPONS ..they were WEAPONS.
Do a little research on the following...Percentage-wise (per capita), guess which military service LOST more AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN during the Vietnam
War? Yup, the USCG manned riverboats during that war and lost many many FIGHTING MEN during the war.
Although military officers generally have it easier than enlisted people, Coast Guard personnel are still subject to fighting during wartiime. I IN NO
WAY am trying to say that this is the situation during the current war, just has been historically. Thus far the USCG has it far easier than the Army
or Marine Corps.
The bottom line is this captain has disgraced the Coast Guard. It sucks and it hurts. But I will assert, as a person who actually served, that he is
in the minority. And YES, I knew others who indulged in illicit narcotics use while I was in the service. But by the time I left in 1987, it was
UNHEARD of or atleast very rare.
This is way off-topic but I felt needed to be addressed....
Additionally, I did not mean to offend anyone with my prior rude post...
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FYI...
I live out in the back country of San Diego...directly north of Tecate. A friend of ours told us that a Mexican lady friend of hers has moved up here
out of Tecate. She told our friend it's getting difficult to live in Tecate of late. Somewhat dangerous to go out at night. Alot of robberies
taking place. I'll try to get more info. from some other sources.
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The Coasties have a very tough job, they are put in the line of fire of drug traffickers. In the course of events, they come into contact with
cocaine, which can easily fall into their cuffs. They need to know the difference in the case of drugs, what is it, what path did it take and is it
really cocaine. They get tested. The case of Captain Michael Sullivan is unclear, but it is minor in the big picture, and we do not know the results
of his test nor of the investigation. There is every chance that a reasonable explanation exists, until we know more. In any case none of his actions
reported thus far have done anything to discredit the efforts of the Coasties as a whole.
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JaraHurd, don't let them pull your chain, Sonar Puke! Sez the old Navy Chief ET. 
My motto:
Never let a Dragon pass by without pulling its tail!
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JaraHurd--Sorry if I offeneded you. Did not mean to. I completely agree with every thing you have statedon in this thread.... But.... there is a huge
drug war going on in our border towns with Mexican Cartels. And,when I read news of our most trusted and respected "pillars of military strength",
possibly partaking and contributing to illegal acts,and involved and supporting this industry it sickens me to my core. Why do you think his higher
ups are, hanging him out to dry,even before there has been any military trial? ++C++
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Crusoe, why did you inject the Sullivan story into egl's thread about the Tecate policeman's murder?
The Sullivan story is off topic, and not related to the murder of a Mexican law enforcement agent.
Just wondering what your motives were or how it connects, because I don't see it, other than a political thing as Jara Hurd mentioned...?
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Excellent Point.
CaboRon
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JaraHurd
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Mr Johns..U got me. Been called that many times. You guys were/are the big boys. More power to you. And I salute you as well!
Crusoe..no biggie. It is all good to discuss and see how we all feel. I promise that I don't take myself half as seriously as I sound! Everybody have
they thing...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
TW-You have completely misread and misinterpreted my post. Captain Michael Sullivan has been accused of possesion of cocaine, wrongful use of cocaine
and obstruction of justice. Not drug trafficking. So...The moral question is.....If a person purchases cocaine from a drug dealer is he guilty of drug
trafficking in any form?......
His surperiors want to get rid of him. This is very obvious. Why else woud they rake him over the coals and throw him under the bus before he has even
had a trial?
Canadain radio stations and German newspapers are reporting and claiming that this is just the tip of the iceburg. He claims to have damaging evidence
of higher ups and of prominent San Fran. businessmen and republican polticians. |
The moral answer is more about what you believe, morally or legally if he was not selling or transporting more than a small amount, that being more
than an individual would use, then he wan't transporting.
The military always relieves an officer of his command when under investigation for wrong doing just as they relieve a ships captain for running his
ship aground. The Navy just relieved a commander in charge of the presidents communications when he travels for something unrelated to his job. It's
been in the news lately. Maybe an affair or he exposed himself I don't know.
I don't think your going to find very many Republican politicians in San Francisco. If you haven't heard it's a left wing Democrat stronghold.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
I don't think your going to find very many Republican politicians in San Francisco. If you haven't heard it's a left wing Democrat stronghold.
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That SF is the cell of the Ninth District Court of Appeals, I'd say your assesment is lacking in color.....red.
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