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Cypress
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Ken, Is there an appropriate way to kill a good buddy? I'd like to know, tell
me.
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bill erhardt
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Nembutal
Here is a link to a recent article in the New York times about the availability of Nembutal in Mexico through many veterinarians without a
prescription. It is apparently sold in a liquid form and is fast and effective for euthanizing animals. The thrust of the article relates to people
buying the barbiturate in Mexico for the purpose of suicide in the States and the ease of doing so through Mexican vets. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/world/americas/21tijuana.h...
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tripledigitken
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Cypress,
Astro was looking for advice for his situation. Astro has already said that as a last resort he would have a neighbor shoot it. So in that context
your advice was inappropriate IMHO.
Many good suggestions have been offered here without resorting to having to shoot your own dog between the eyes as you suggested.
Ken
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Paulina
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This past summer in Bahia there was a horse that had broken it's leg and severed the artery. It needed to be put down, but the owner refused. After
the leg was wrapped and unwrapped a few times the owner wanted to walk it out to the sea, thinking the salt water would heal it and stop the bleeding.
No one agreed to that idea. He then provided a bottle of pentobarbital to the town doctor, requesting that he use it to inject the horse, but only
just a little to calm it down, not enough to euthanize it.
The doctor, his assistant and I stood there looking at the bottle in the assistants hand. The owner walked off to have another Tecate. The horse had
already lost quite a bit of blood. We estimated that the horse weighed about 1000 lbs. but with the blood loss it would have been almost impossible to
guess how much of the drug would do the trick without taking the horses life.
Even though the horse was in shock I suggested against it. If given too much the horse would have died, then the owner could have come back with the
arguement that they had killed his now very valuable race horse, "Juan Grande". Both the doctor and the assistant really didn't want to take that
chance.
I told Dern that I wanted to buy the horse from the owner just so I could have the right as it's new owner to dispatch with it. I would have had to
ask one of the police officers to witness the sale and then borrow his gun.
Dern said no.
We all looked at each other, shrugged our shoulders because there was nothing else we could do for the horse. The assistant walked the pentobarbital
back to the owner, who was standing under a tree, partying with friends and his other horse.
After reading the article that Bill provided, I'm half way tempted to buy this drug the next time I'm down there to put in the first aid back pack
just in case. I've always wondered what I could do to help put an animal out of it's misery in an emergency situation when guns are not available.
This might be a viable option if faced with that circumstance.
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Cypress
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Ken, I respect your humble opinion. Everybody has one, humble or otherwise.
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DENNIS
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I sure hope that this thread, above all others, doesn't go south.
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Paulina
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I'll be the first to apologize if I started the southern trek with my horse post. This is a good thread.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paulina
I'll be the first to apologize if I started the southern trek with my horse post. This is a good thread.
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That's just a harmless hijacking. Not what I was referring to at all.
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vandenberg
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Since my dog is 15 years old, I'm following this thread with much interest.
And, Astrobaja, my thoughts are with you. Tough road that I traveled many times.
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BajaNuts
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we had a good experience with a US vet and an OD of barbituates for our big yellow lab mix. We found out later the events that led to the neccesity
of killing our dog could have been avoided.
We live on a small farm with lots of fruit trees. In the fall when all the fruit ripens, our 4 yr old Mostyn would lie under the plum tree and eat
the sugar-sweet fruit by the handfuls. He would also eat whole apricots and take bites of apples. He was sick for a couple months in Dec-Jan and in
pain. Trips to the vet didn't reveal any muscular or skelitol reason for the pain. After his death (on Feb 14th), we requested an autopsy, and it
revealed a huge kidney as a result of massive kidney failure.
Too late we found out that fruit pits contain arsenic. Many people know not to eat too close to the mango pit due to arsenic in the pit, but we
didn't know it is also present in plum, prune, apricot and other pits. Our vet also told us not to let the dogs eat grapes.
As to this thread, I hope the information about dogs eating fruit may save another beloved pet, and to let other pet owners know, our "mcNugget" (big
fat yellow dog) died in my arms, assisted by an injection by our vet, and is buried at our home. I believe he would have suffered for a couple more
days on his own.
We also had a 17 1/2 yr old lab who was way beyond normal functioning. She died at home, but in retrospect, maybe we should have done it a week
before at the vet's office. She didn't eat for the last three days and the thowing up and other stuff was not pretty. She was hubby's dog so it was
his decision to keep her at home instead of doing an injection. She was ready to go but we weren't ready for her to go.
You are not alone in your distress about your upcoming decisions
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BajaNuts
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clarification-
it's cyanide poisoning, not aresenic.
other foods that are generally assumed to be no-no's are-
grapes, onions, chocolate, all fruit pips and pits, macadamia nuts, tomato and potato plant leaves and stems, rhubarb leaves and some other house
plants.
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Bob H
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Having just gone through this with my Shelby-dog, I know what you are going through. When she couldn't walk or eat any more it was time to put her
down. One injection put her to sleep and then a few seconds later stopped her heart. I am in tears writing this as I feel your pain so deeply.
Bob H
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toneart
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As a dog lover and owner, I am following this string as though it were my own dog, because some day "Paco" may be facing the same quandary.
One thing that may be comforting: I am pretty sure that dogs don't have a concept of death. I don't think that is what they are thinking when the
time comes. All they know is that they are not feeling well and that you love them and they love you.
I prefer your idea of euthanizing your dog at home where it (I'm sorry, I didn't know its gender) knows it is loved and feels secure. I hope you can
find a good vet who will travel there. If not, by all means be there, wherever it is, to hold your dog in your arms for its transition.
Best wishes to you and your dog.
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astrobaja
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Hi everybody,
I'm overwhelmed by the good will and empathy that people have shown!
I guess its an experience many of us go through multiple times in our lifetime. Toneart: My Wife and I have been "there" for our animals (and those of
others ie horses at our barn that were in our care) must be more than a dozen times now and its heart-wrenching each and every time!
I guess thats especially true when you grow up on a farm you learn from childhood that death is part of the cycle, doesnt make it any easier. I know
for some its too much to be holding your beloved pet when it goes but each person has their own limits and thats to be respected too!
So tommorrow we are off to Ensenada to talk to a few vets, hopefully we can find one that is willing to come out to the sierra to do this for us at
home where Asha (a her) feels safe. We plan on having to do it this weekend when our workers will be away and have some privacy.
Anyhow I can't type anymore, got a big lump in my throat...
many hugs and thanks to you all
Mike And Pamela
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by astrobaja
So tommorrow we are off to Ensenada to talk to a few vets, hopefully we can find one that is willing to come out to the sierra to do this for us at
home where Asha (a her) feels safe. |
Like I mentioned earlier, I know of more than one. One in particular may be flexible enough to get away from the office to do what's necessary.
She's in Cantú, Punta Banda.
Let me know.
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Astrobaja,
We will be thinking of you this weekend. I am so sorry.
Ken
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BajaNuts
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Our thoughts and feelings are with you.
A & J
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Pappy Jon
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Sorry about your pet. It's never easy making this decission. Probably too little too late ... carbon dioxide. No experience with dogs, but have used
it on smaller animals. Fast and painless. It's a common welding gas, and used by off-roaders to inflate tires.
"The association of flowers and warm-blooded love is more than a romantic convention; it is based upon one of the great advances in the evolution
of life." Ed Abbey
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All of us pet lovers are hugging you in our hearts. My prayer is that she won't suffer and it will be over quick. The pain you are feeling will
linger but just know that we care. It could be any one of us and we know it all too well.
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Keri
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Boy greybaby hit the nail on the head. We are all hugging you right now and we all know it be us next . God bless you and your baby, peace to you
all,k
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