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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
This is not Baja News. It has turned into what belongs in OT. |
I disagree, this will have considerable impact on La Baja ..
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good
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OK...Back on topic. I still don't understand what paperwork they are requesting to make the trip home.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good
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OK...Back on topic. I still don't understand what paperwork they are requesting to make the trip home. |
I don't know either .... could it be that these illegals have not been filing income taxes in Mexico all the years they were gone ? I know I have
to keep paying/ filing US taxes even though I live in La Baja ....
And maybe their US born children can't legally go to school in Mexico ?
Interesting turnaround of events isn't it ?
You know, it ALL catches back up with you 
CaboRon
[Edited on 9-16-2008 by CaboRon]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
And maybe their US born children can't legally go to school in Mexico ? |
That's the only thing I can think of but, wouldn't they have dual citizenship?
These people have been supporting Mexico with remittances so, I don't think it's a tax thing. Actually I think it may be an inaccuracy in the
article. I've heard writers will sometimes, although rarely, do this when the facts are dull.
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CaboRon
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Dennis,
Could be a problem with the facts.
OR
Could be that to have dual citizenship you actually have to fill out the paperwork ... it is not an automatic thing.
CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Could be that to have dual citizenship you actually have to fill out the paperwork ... it is not an automatic thing.
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I thought it was until a certain age is reached. Then, the person has to make a decision as to which way to go. Perhaps that has changed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good
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OK...Back on topic. I still don't understand what paperwork they are requesting to make the trip home. |
They are filing for ID. Many of these folks have no Mexican identification they will need once back home. Especially those children born in the US.
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Thanks Ron. Makes sense now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
This is not Baja News. It has turned into what belongs in OT. |
I disagree, this will have considerable impact on La Baja .. |
Explain in quantitative effects, numbers of people, economic forecast in specifics, quantitative shift in quality of life, education, social system,
birth rate, housing, etc.
Ok, back up your "considerable" comment. Time for your arm waving is over. Otherwise, a few more Mexicans per square mile means what, mister
considerable?
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�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
This is not Baja News. It has turned into what belongs in OT. |
I disagree, this will have considerable impact on La Baja .. |
Explain in quantitative effects, numbers of people, economic forecast in specifics, quantitative shift in quality of life, education, social system,
birth rate, housing, etc.
Ok, back up your "considerable" comment. Time for your arm waving is over. Otherwise, a few more Mexicans per square mile means what, mister
considerable?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! |
If you think I have the time to write a doctoral thesis you are wrong. I don't think you are worthy of my time ....
Do your own research.
CaboRon
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Who cares what the statistics are
there's more of em leaving everyday and that's all that counts.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
there's more of em leaving everyday and that's all that counts.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
there's more of em leaving everyday and that's all that counts.
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Which way? What counts is who is counting.
Are you counting?
Do you actually believe someone is?
How do you think that is done?
Are you convinced that the reports that are selectively placed on this board represent all the facts on the subject?
Is this where you come for your facts?
It must mean a considerable effect is about to happen somewhere else on Earth if a considerable event is about to happen in Mexico like a considerable
population shift. If the those who assert such things cannot support such assertions then it is a considerable pile of guano.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
there's more of em leaving everyday and that's all that counts.
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Which way? What counts is who is counting.
Are you counting?
Do you actually believe someone is?
How do you think that is done?
Are you convinced that the reports that are selectively placed on this board represent all the facts on the subject?
Is this where you come for your facts?
It must mean a considerable effect is about to happen somewhere else on Earth if a considerable event is about to happen in Mexico like a considerable
population shift. If the those who assert such things cannot support such assertions then it is a considerable pile of guano.
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to this board.
Now as to your question as to who is counting, it's me.
In the last 3 months at least 10 that I have known for 3-5 years or more have gave it up and went south.
These are the ones who never bother to even try to learn English or adapt to our way of life.
Do I miss em, hell no!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good
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OK...Back on topic. I still don't understand what paperwork they are requesting to make the trip home. |
I've seen Mexicans having to fill out some kind of immigration document before boarding flights in the USA destined for Mexico. Maybe if they leave
the country via land for over a certain period they have to document their exit and entry? only guessing here.
as for the school thing if they want their kids in public schools it can be very difficult without the proper paperwork as my husbands family from
mainland is experiencing now.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Could be that to have dual citizenship you actually have to fill out the paperwork ... it is not an automatic thing.
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I thought it was until a certain age is reached. Then, the person has to make a decision as to which way to go. Perhaps that has changed.
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as far as Mexican citizenship is concerned persons who have been born outside Mexico can claim their Mexican citizenship if they have parents or even
grandparents who were born in Mexico. age is not a factor as I know a man in his 70's who recently got his Mex citizenship but who was born in USA
and whose father was born in Mexico.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
This is not Baja News. It has turned into what belongs in OT. |
I disagree, this will have considerable impact on La Baja .. |
Explain in quantitative effects, numbers of people, economic forecast in specifics, quantitative shift in quality of life, education, social system,
birth rate, housing, etc.
Ok, back up your "considerable" comment. Time for your arm waving is over. Otherwise, a few more Mexicans per square mile means what, mister
considerable?
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I will be happy to offer a small bit of insight to your inquiry. Imagine that you find yourself having to relocate into your mother country because
of economic and (percieved) human rights issues in your newfound country. You are starting over, a blank slate. WHERE do you go, where do you take
your family?
Remember many emigrants from Mexico are the best and brightest who left in search of a better life. Now they find themselves having to leave the
comforts and security they have grown accustomed to. With the potential for growth and a wonderfly secure environment, BCS will be a much sought
after place to lay their roots. It is happening now. You don't see it up in BC because of the insecurity that is absolutely no secret to anyone
except the real estate folks up there, but los Cabos, Todos Santos, La Paz, Loreto and Mulege should expect extaordinary changes in the near future.
That level of change will be directly proportional to the performance of the economy in the US and the climate of the immigration issue in the USA.
Fact not BS.
So I could go on but I'd likely be wasting my time on you and many like you because your minds are already made up. After ten years of living in
Mexico, having family directly affected by the increasing state of insecurity in this country, I have come to the conclusion that emmigration is very
bad for Mexico and this is why I have done a complete 180 in my prior thinking. Before my thoughts on this were like that sypmathetic poster whose
name escapes me and who wrote about the 50is guy with a fake SSN.
I am doing my part to educate my children and those around me so that they stay here and do good things. I absolutely welcome the Mexicans from the
North back here to their home country. THEY will be the ones to make the necessary changes. THEY will be most likely to hold their government
responsible for doing their job as public servants, which is exactly why Mexico encourages them to go to the USA in the first place. The "good ol'
boys" here don't want change but it is inevitable and it doesn't have to be bloody. They are our hope for the future.
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Pam,
The Mexican narional who owns the Telmex store I use in La Paz is also a US citizen and returned to La Paz to start his business.
CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by greybaby
I work in a community health center where we see lots of undocumented patients and it is heartbreaking. They come to the US believing the lies that
this is the land of opportunity and find themselves in a prison where they are at the mercy of everyone in our system. Do I think they should come
here illegally? NO!!!! But, many of them are here and have been for years and they need our help. I translated for a 52 year old man today who has
been working in the US for 10 years (with a fake SSN). He has had a stroke, has no money, no job, nothing, especially no rights. My heart broke for
him as he came here only to make money to help his family in Jalisco only to find himself trapped in a country that now treats him like dirt. In the
county I work in the police are pulling over anyone that looks Mexican for any reason possible and then calling ICE immediately. You may say this is
what they deserve, I say that it is very sad that we have come to this. Many "kids" were brought here years ago by their parents thinking they were
making a better life for their family and now they are stuck here in a land that doesn't want them and treats them like dirt. The fact of the matter
is, they are here, they need our help and we need to do something other than "escort" them out of the country. Now I'm going to log out and get off
my high horse so I don't get hit with all the crap that is going to start flying my direction. |
several years ago there was foreign cauccasion woman (probably American by the accent) who was obviously deranged and wandering the streets in Loreto.
nobody knows who she was or how she got here. after two days in the Eden resort she was sent back on the next aerocalifornia flight to LAX by
immigration. who knows what happend once she arrived there. she wasn't escorted out of the country she was sent out.
[Edited on 9-17-2008 by flyfishinPam]
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read the Mexican Constitution. It clearly states that any Mexican Citizen who leaves the country for over 5 years is no longer a citizen. Meaning
once you leave, don't come back.
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