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Bajabus
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got it thanks...look forward to meeting you next week in TS and working with you.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
I think it depends are where you are??
FTA is a great option for legal free programing. However, if you are modifying the firmware to receive DishNetwork, dont be suprised if it is not
around very long. As soon as Dish goes to MPG4 for all programs, FTA will be only useful for Free programing that is available.
I hope this message finds you watching great Sat programing. |
According to the experts, (which I am not one), this is not really accurate. The MPG4 programming should not really interrupt the reception of FTA.
So I guess I will just continue to watch what I get since Dish Network has indicated that I can not watch their stupid signal while in Mexico.
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Time Will Tell, BUT....................
It may be questioned whether Dish Network has any transmission/encryption schemes in process which will address the FTA receivers since Echostar's
latest tactic against the FTA users (after their lawsuits against the manufacturers failed) is filing lawsuits "ATTEMPTING" to gain possession of the
vendor's customer purchase lists for those FTA receivers they feel are being used to pirate their transmissions.
We'll see. I'm just an interested spectator.
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larryC
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Directv did the same thing a couple years ago and intimidated alot of people into giving them money under threat of a civil law suit. They demanded
$3500 dollars and you had to sign an agreement not to pirate their signal ever again. If Dish tries the same tactic it will be very interesting to see
what happens since an FTA receiver is legal to own. They would probably have to prove that you own an FTA receiver and downloaded the files to pirate
their signal. Hope it doesn't happen.
Larry
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Si, Si
That was the speed bump that Echostar ran into with their Viewsat Lawsuit. They were trying to claim that the only reason for easy firmware update by
USB was to put in place pirate firmware. Didn't Fly. I can't see how they can claim that the purchase of a legal receiver which has purposes other
than receiving Dish can be a crime. I think they're flailing and just trying to intimidate the little guy.
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Pescador
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Most of the websites that provide signal codes have moved offshore and when asked by DN for their weblists, they were informed that the information
was private and not available. What pushed me over the line was when they would not allow me to suspend service for the time I live in Mexico and
they would not allow me to use the service from my house in Mexico so now I suffer from having 250-300 channels for free.
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MrBillM
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Now This is Interesting for some.
Reading info on a tech site, I came across what purports to be a court order regarding the ongoing Echostar - Viewsat FTA battles, although it shows
no reference to the exact court or docket number.
It does simply reinforce the OBVIOUS. If anyone buys an FTA receiver and uploads third-party firmware, it voids their warranty. Until now, there was
no danger of sending in that unit for warranty purposes other than being denied.
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Quote:
On September 17, 2008, the Court convened a Settlement Conference in the above entitled action. Appearing were Mark Hamer, Esq., Chad Hagan, Esq., JJ
Gee and Rob Frankel, client representatives on behalf of plaintiffs; David R. Clark, Esq., Manny Delacerra, Esq., Jung Kwak and Rob Rhine, client
representatives on behalf of defendants.
The Court and counsel followed up on the settlement process discussed at the Early Neutral Evaluation Conference. There was also discussion about the
preservation of evidence allegedly supporting the plaintiff’s claims and defendant’s defenses. While counsel work on a formal permanent
preservation plan, the Court imposes the following interim plan:
1. Starting September 22, 2008, defendant will preserve the chip from all of the units returned to defendant for repair or warranty work which are
accompanied by a check in the approximate amount of $50.00. Defendant will assign a tracking number to each of these chips and record the unit’s
serial number and the date of receipt for later transmission to plaintiffs. Defendant will also record the information associated with the person(s)
or other entity that has returned the unit for the subject work.
The production of that information will be dealt with by the Court at some future date;
2. By October 6, 2008, defendants will provide a report to plaintiff’s counsel regarding the
chips collected and plaintiff may proceed to purchase any or all of those at $23.00 per
unit for forensic testing; and
3. The Court and counsel will review of the progress of this interim plan, and counsel’s
efforts to come up with a permanent preservation plan, at a telephonic Case Management
Conference set for October 24, 2008 at 10:00 a.m. Plaintiff’s counsel will initiate the
call.
In the interim, counsel have leave to take a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition of defendant’s representative
with regard to repair and warranty return protocols. No later than Monday, September 22, 2008,
plaintiff’s counsel will provide defendants with the Rule30(b)(6) deposition notice describing the
specific areas of inquiry involved. As this deposition is limited in scope and relates to the issue of
preservation of evidence, it is excluded from the limit of ten depositions aside under the Federal Rules.
Counsel are also required to conduct their Rule 26(f) conference and submit their joint discovery
plan by October 24, 2008. At the next conference, the Court will confirm a date for initial disclosures,
and set further dates and deadlines as appropriate.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
[Edited on 9-26-2008 by MrBillM]
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BCSTech
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Caveat Emptor...
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Hook
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So, it appears that should you send in your unit for warranty work from the manufacturer, DN COULD have access to information about whether the owner
is viewing their programming illegally? Is that what this is saying, Bill?
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That is exactly what all of the forums are stating now. If you buy a sat receiver, download 3rd party codes, and then send it in, you may be in a
legal situation. FTAHQ.com is in the process of developing a factory fresh download that you could use if you have to send in for warranty but it is
a little worrisome. At $140 for a good viewsat, I think I would just throw it away and get another.
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
That was the speed bump that Echostar ran into with their Viewsat Lawsuit. They were trying to claim that the only reason for easy firmware update by
USB was to put in place pirate firmware. Didn't Fly. |
Looks like it flew with some judge somewhere...
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MrBillM
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Lawsuits
There seem to be lawsuits and counter-lawsuits flying all over.
The lawsuit I had referenced before by Echostar wanted the customer info on ANYONE who purchased a Viewsat FTA receiver from a Viewsat vendor. The
premise being that they were purchasing it for illegal activity. Since the Viewsat (or others) are only illegal IF third-party firmware is loaded,
that obviously wouldn't fly.
THIS other lawsuit (if the foregoing is authentic) IS aimed at the illegal activity itself since it focuses on firmware chips in merchandise returned
for warranty claims which have been modified. A significant difference.
Since authentic warranty failures on quality electronics are rare after an initial period of use, clearly the best policy for a buyer would be to use
the receiver for a decent period of time BEFORE considering the installation of ANY third-party programs. After that, write off any failure.
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BCSTech
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And how do we know these are two different lawsuits?
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MrBillM
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Interesting Question
As noted when I posted the info, I think it might be suspect due to the lack of attribution. I make no claims in that respect. IF authentic, it could
well be a compromise directed by the judge in the same case or a different one. It SOUNDS reasonable and certainly something that Echostar would
pursue, but who knows ?
Although not on the front burner (so to speak), I've been searching other sites looking for additional information. So far, nothing.
Stay Tuned.
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Bob and Susan
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imagine ALL those signals are BOMBARDING us ALL the time...
we should be protected
maybe a foil helmet
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
we should be protected
maybe a foil helmet |
Here you go...
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
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cabobaja
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Hola BCSTech & BajaBus: For whatever it is worth. I have Starband internet/Sat service. Have for the past 8 years here in Elias Calles. Have not
had one problem. Without Starband...I would not have a business!
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Hook
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What's this I hear about a hack into "Dave's" latest encryption technique? Is it legit?
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Bajabus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cabobaja
Hola BCSTech & BajaBus: For whatever it is worth. I have Starband internet/Sat service. Have for the past 8 years here in Elias Calles. Have not
had one problem. Without Starband...I would not have a business! |
Cabobaja.......glad you are happy with it. How about getting together for a beer while I'm down....PM me
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BajaNuts
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just a little something most may not know...........
most major network shows are available to watch by internet after the show has aired in primetime. Depending on how addicted to any particular show a
person may be, being able to watch it the nextCourse, day online may be enough. And there are tons of online news sites. Aside from the movie
channels, maybe a person could get by with just internet.
but if you have internet................you can download fta updates...................
gotta have those chick flicks now and again!
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