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motoged
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Nomads,
PSF is handsdown my favourite beach and destination....because of my first trip in there, the simplicity of it, and the chance to get off the beaten
path....
It is a bit saddening to see it maybe being taken over by resort developers or cartels (like WHO owns that hacienda just north of El
Barril????)....and the food is not as good as before (no fish last two times there....so eggs and machaca for breakfast and dinner was the
routine....but not a complaint was uttered, because if anyone starts to whine while there, they will be used as a road marker
It sometimes has gas....and in the times I have been there (Dec-March....week at a time), very few planes came and went, so I don't think they are
setting prices just for pilot$...
San Raphael is primo if you are self-contained, but a much less protected bay...
Enjoy the loop...
Don't believe everything you think....
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David K
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Ged, please... it is 'RAFAEL' (there is no ph in Spanish for the f sound)...
You know, just like ALFONSINA'S instead of Alphonsina's (sic)! 
Photo of Pancho and me in the center with two kayakers waiting out the wind (April, 2002)...
[Edited on 10-22-2008 by David K]
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
In defense of both places------------it is really tough and expensive to get any supplies into both those remote areas--------for that I always cut
them some slack-------besides, I love "old time baja".
Barry |
Exactly. These places are remote with no electricity and usually no running water unless their generator is working, maybe gravity for some. If you
want the Ritz Carlton stay on the paved road.
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David K
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Punta San Francisquito
It is one of the prettiest beaches in Baja!
In this photo from about 1982/3, we camped just past the resort's property marker at the east end of this south facing beach... dolphins and mantas
jumped by day and whales sang to us at night!
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Ken Cooke
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When you guys say, "Pricey" exactly how much per night did you pay? $20? $40? $80? 
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Paulina
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I can't remember what we paid two years ago at PSF, and the place has gone way down hill since then. I've only made day trips to see Pancho, but I'd
bet that it's next to nothing, if nothing at all to camp at Playa Rafael. Zac or EGL would know for certain.
As far as PR goes, it's not "run-down-back woods Mexico". It's Pancho's home. It is also a beautiful, undeveloped beach as far as the eye can see.
It's "old school Baja". It's never been more than you'll find it, and hopefully never will be more than what we know it to be today.
The label of "run-down" seems to fit more with the "resort" at PSF that has seen better days. It began as something special and has fallen way short
of that description.
If you choose to visit/stay at PR, then plan to be totally self sufficient. Pancho would appreciate any extras you may be able to spare. You will have
a true Mexican friend for life with this man. That's not to say because of any dontations, it's just the character of the man, period.
PSF will give you a roof over your head at night, should you choose to pay for it, but the food is iffy as well as the availablility of fuel,
beer/sodas.
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Ken Cooke
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"Old School Baja" suits me well. Not sure what the guys will think, but I prefer "Old School" vs. "New School Cheese".
Howling winds might change opinions VERY FAST, but Not sure to what extent. Russ and Mike are both military vets, as are Team Isreal (4 Jeeps full of
Isrealis). I cut my teeth in Baja & Death Valley, so that's my preference as well.
Thanks for the 411! 4 more weeks, and I'm goin' to BAJA!
Oh, Pancho WILL get a t-shirt. Just like the image of the avatar in Navy Blue. He looks to be about a size 'Large' - perhaps 'Medium' depending on
his height.
-Ken
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Bajaboy
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Pancho does not charge to use his palapas but will gladly accept a tip. He is an excellent resource for certain. In the past, he has gotten us
firewood for grilling and firewood for burning. If divers or fishermen are there, he will arrange for us to purchase scallops, fish, or what ever the
daily catch is. I consider Pancho a friend and as such we act as friends do.
If the wind is blowing, you can camp on the back-bay behind the dune. You'll still have an ocean view and the back-bay is incredible with the water
fowl and fish. A few years ago we camped there during the Christmas holidays. I took down an inverter, battery, and Christmas lights. Boy what a
party we had that night.
I think if your group is set up to camp, you'll have an excellent time at PSR.
Zac
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David K
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Ken, listen to Paulina and Zac... they are spot on with their information!
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cpg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
When you guys say, "Pricey" exactly how much per night did you pay? $20? $40? $80? |
PSF is 10 dollars per person per night camping.
20 dollars per night per person in the cabana.
I am pretty sure there are "0" palapas at San Rafael.
There whale chair is now in San Franciquito and the tire for the turn off is gone.
Also There may be half a palapa standing in San Francisquito.
The rest have blown away so if you camp bring your own shade.
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capt. mike
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"PSF is 10 dollars per person per night camping"
i love that place but when it was $5 per couple per nite for a tent spot on the beach that was worth it. Quadruple that is a huge disappointment.
hell we used to pay only $20 to $30 for a palapa when everything worked.
sad state of affairs. i wish a condo operation would take over.
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cpg
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Also There may be half a palapa standing in San Francisquito.
The rest have blown away so if you camp bring your own shade. |
Two years ago there was only one palapa whose roof had blown/fallen off...the other palapas remained intact.
How current is your info that all the palapas were "down"?
Mike,
You really want condos there?
Don't believe everything you think....
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Martyman
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I could not drive south of BOLA in my loaded down Honda Odyssey. It is a low clearance vehicle. No problem with a high clearance vehicle
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cpg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by cpg
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Also There may be half a palapa standing in San Francisquito.
The rest have blown away so if you camp bring your own shade. |
Two years ago there was only one palapa whose roof had blown/fallen off...the other palapas remained intact.
How current is your info that all the palapas were "down"?
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March 2008.
This is what I was calling a Palapa.
And this is the cabana
There used to be 5 or six palapas over near the restroom/shower on the north side.
They no longer there and the restroom has been non working and roofless for years.
Hear are a few shots of the working shower south end.
Here some shots of the cabanas.
[Edited on 10-28-2008 by cpg]
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Ken Cooke
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Those look like luxurious digs!!
Our group will be driving modified 4WD vehicles, so no chance of bottoming out...unless, we decide to take the route at speed. We want to see
something new, so we're taking our time and seeing everything for the 1st time.
I can't wait!!
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cpg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Our group will be driving modified 4WD vehicles, so no chance of bottoming out...unless, we decide to take the route at speed. We want to see
something new, so we're taking our time and seeing everything for the 1st time.
I can't wait!!
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I wish I was going with you guys. You are going to wish you spent more than 2 nights in SF.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cpg
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
When you guys say, "Pricey" exactly how much per night did you pay? $20? $40? $80? |
PSF is 10 dollars per person per night camping.
20 dollars per night per person in the cabana.
I am pretty sure there are "0" palapas at San Rafael.
There whale chair is now in San Franciquito and the tire for the turn off is gone.
Also There may be half a palapa standing in San Francisquito.
The rest have blown away so if you camp bring your own shade. |
You missed this post by Zac, in this thread:
"Ken-
I strongly suggest you stay a day at Playa San Rafael with Pancho. There are two nice palapas and plenty of white sandy beach. There are plenty on
this board that will vouch for Pancho as well.
Zac"
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by cpgI wish I was going with you guys. You are going to wish you spent more than 2 nights in SF. |
I will wish I was spending 1 week in San Francisquito. But, the guys bore easily, and they get that itch to keep moving. I like staying put, having
a drink, listening to my PsyTrance music, looking at the stars, but the group dictates our actions, so we keep moving, viewing the beauty through the
dust.
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David K
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Ken, if you are in no hurry... don't use the new graded road south of L.A. Bay...
Use the original 'Gulfo Camino' that the Erle Stanley Gardner party opened in 1966! You will see the tallest Cardons in Baja and some sections of
ROUGH road your Jeeps were made for! The access is between Las Flores and the Las Animas road (a car door with stickers and a no hunting sign once
marked the road)... This was the 1973 Baja 1000 route, too. It re-joins the new graded road a few miles south of Bahia San Rafael.
Here are some photos:
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David K
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Oh, if you do go that way and see this, this is the 'Lost Mission' site I have been trying to find!:
What we were looking for... an ancient wall, stone piles, and native sleeping circles,
as shown in these photos from a 1966 Desert Magazine story by Choral Pepper.
The site was discovered by the Erle Stanley Gardner expedition.
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