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Osprey
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Dave, you wouldn't for a minute indict all flyfishermen, bass tourney contenders and millions of other sportfishers around the world as people who
take joy in hurting animals? Come on Dave. Who gave you the crown and scepter, made you the judge of all those folks?
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Dave
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Why obfuscate?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Dave, you wouldn't for a minute indict all flyfishermen, bass tourney contenders and millions of other sportfishers around the world as people who
take joy in hurting animals? Come on Dave. Who gave you the crown and scepter, made you the judge of all those folks? |
Don't most of these folks either eat or give their catch to others?
And crown and scepter? Is that really necessary? I'm not issuing an edict. Just stating an opinion.
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Osprey
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Don't most professional bass fishermen (millions in the U.S) or fly fishermen (even more millions) eat the fish? Is that your question? What planet do
you spend most of your time on? NO THEY DON'T. Not one fish. They torture them all and let them go! This is my very last notice that it's slipping
away from you Dave. I'm retired, don't work anymore so I have the time. U2U me and I'll catch you up on the reality of worldwide sportfishing -- it
will sicken you and I'll feel soooo much better.
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Russ
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I believe that the Mexican co-ops on the Pacific are doing a admirable job. But I don't have the facts. Only what Shari and some other friends tell
me. If the fishermen in this area could organize and initiate a vigilante protection group here it might be a small step in the right direction. A
problem is there are at least 5 calimari factories in this area now that have brought hundreds of pangeros from the other side. When the factories
close or the price drops they fish to make a few pesos to live. It would be insane to tell those fishermen they can't fish an area that a co-op has
designated as theirs. Always something
The next time I hear a tree scream because some freak is hugging it there's going to hell to pay
[Edited on 12-16-2008 by Russ]
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
I am shocked by the amount of money spent on what I consider torture. I don't expect a billfisher to understand and don't suppose there is anything I
can do about it.
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In order for your theory of torture to be valid and correct, you must assume that the fish has memory and can process the idea of a negative
experience on the end of the line. That seems to be the same kind of thinking espoused by the PETA group. I have caught Marilin, brought them up to
the boat for a release, tagged them before removing the hook, and then managed to catch the fish an hour later with the same tag. Now it might be a
stretch to go so far as to assume that the fish was having such a good time that he wanted to go again, or he was really peeed and figured that the
second time that he might win the battle, but my suspicion is that he was just being a fish and eating what looked like dinner to him, which was a
resin cast plastic lure.
I do go so far as to get really angry when anglers pull a Marlin or Sailfish up on the back of the boat for pictures as they have just lowered the
fishes chances of surviving the "so called release", but when handled properly with the correct equipment, knowledge of the angler, and sufficient
strength line to get the job done effectively and effeciently, the wear and tear on the fish seems to be minimal.
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MrBillM
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Fished OUT
Thanks to this thread for jogging my mind. Went to the market today and bought Swordfish for dinner.
Enjoy while you can before they're all gone.
Blame God. He shouldn't have made them so tasty.
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norte
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Fish come and go. All this hype about people impacting them is just a Nomad board hysteria, If it wasn't for these netters the fish would all die
and pollute the ocean!
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Dave
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If a tree falls in the forest...
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In order for your theory of torture to be valid and correct, you must assume that the fish has memory and can process the idea of a negative
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I poke a dog with a stick. Is it necessary that the dog understand my motive?
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MrBillM
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Yum
Last night's Swordfish was GREAT.
Today, however, is HAM with Honey Glaze. On sale for the season 79 cents lb. That's one of the great things about Christian Holidays. Lots of Ham
on sale.
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
I poke a dog with a stick. Is it necessary that the dog understand my motive? |
Has absolutely nothing to do with your motive, it has to do with the reaction of the dog. Some dogs probably think it is fun and they play, some have
been clobbered and think it is something to be afraid of.
I just have a problem when animals are assigned human functioning and reasoning.
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BajaBruno
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Dave has a valid argument that is shared, at least in part, by many. Not by me, certainly, but I appreciate his considered opinion anyway. Catch and
release is, in some respects, torture of a very primitive animal; however, killing is forever.
We may be criticized for torturing the critters (though PETA would argue that most commercial farming practices are torture), but at least we are kind
enough to let them go back to school afterwards. This is much the same difference as watching Roman gladiators vs modern boxing—we are participating
in a form of torture either way, but the modern boxer usually gets to go home at the end of the night.
And Mr.BillM, your combination of subtle metaphor and barbarism in the same sentence was noted.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
Catch and release is, in some respects, torture of a very primitive animal; however, killing is forever.
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Exactly. And when it comes to catching fish, killing is as it should be.
Anglers tell themselves that catch-and-release fishing is more humane and nature-friendly than catching fish and killing them. They're kidding
themselves. Tormenting an animal strictly for enjoyment is never humane, even if the animal doesn't die.
I'm a hunter and casual fisherman. I don't oppose experimenting on animals. I have no moral objection to wearing fur or leather. I am not a supporter
of PETA or its agenda.
But I believe catch-and-release fishing is cruel.
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