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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
David:
I understand your basic point but something you have no concept of is how hard it has now gotten to even obtain a tourist visa. My son is an Argentine
citizen, has had a valid passport his entire life and was granted several visas during his first 25 years of life to come and visit the US. He was
never involved in any trouble of any kind in any of his visits, never overstayed a visit and has never had even so much as a traffic ticket in
Argentina. He recently graduated from law school in Buenos Aires and is building a successful practice there.
He has been denied a tourist visa now his last three attempts with zero reason given.
It is not simply a matter of just applying for a visa my friend and I am sure that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were the one living this
very difficult experience your perspective would be quite different. It is easy to just assume that those denied visas are for reasons like criminal
records, etc but the reality is quite a different story.
In between black and white exists many shades of gray... |
Curious------------my nephew is married to an Argentinian, and her relatives (8 of them) come to the USA to visit at least 3 times a year with no
problems.
Go figure.
Like David says, it's A BORDER folks, and should not be crossed illegally, period. Everything we can do to facilitate the security of that border is
legit, in my mind----------remember RULE OF LAW????
Jeeesessss!!!!
Barry
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Curious------------my nephew is married to an Argentinian, and her relatives (8 of them) come to the USA to visit at least 3 times a year with no
problems.
Go figure.
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My son never had a problem in all these years and made over a dozen trips through the years. Talking with folks I am getting the impression that he
might have been denied because he is young, single and professional. I guess they see him now as a risk to want to stay in the US, in spite of all the
previous stays with no problem.
Ever since homeland security has gotten involved the process has turned into a bureaucratic nightmare...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Ever since homeland security has gotten involved the process has turned into a bureaucratic nightmare... |
Baja Gringo -- Since your son now resides in Argentina, what are his chances of visiting you north of Mexico City? Are the difficulties in getting a
visa much worse in reaching Tijuana?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Curious------------my nephew is married to an Argentinian, and her relatives (8 of them) come to the USA to visit at least 3 times a year with no
problems.
Go figure.
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My son never had a problem in all these years and made over a dozen trips through the years. Talking with folks I am getting the impression that he
might have been denied because he is young, single and professional. I guess they see him now as a risk to want to stay in the US, in spite of all the
previous stays with no problem.
Ever since homeland security has gotten involved the process has turned into a bureaucratic nightmare... |
I don't know--------my nephews wife's father, and attorney practicing in Argentina, is here right now for a 2 week stay.
He says he has no problem with "security" in the USA, and agrees with it.
(??????_
Barry
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My guess is that being married with a family in Argentina is a big help. They look for reasons that will make you want to "return" to your country
when granting a visa now. My son is young and single. They totally ignored his 21 years of entering legally and always returning within the stay
limits. Ask your nephews family in Argentina how many folks they know in the same boat as my son and I will bet you lunch they will tell you of
many...
Ken, my son can freely travel to Mexico and Canada without any problem whatsoever. That is another bonus I have in living here in Baja. The problem is
that my mom is now in her 80's and when the inevitable day comes of her passing, my son will not be able to attend his grandmothers funeral.
It is very sad and frustrating. Like I said, until it hits you personally and you get to see the "other side" of this issue you really can't
understand. Years ago I was agreeing with all of you on the other side of this issue.
My perspective has now changed and thus my opinions as well. Welcome to life...
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Borders are anachronisms - they have far outlived their usefulness. Why is it capital is allowed to move freely in the world but labor is not? How
different do you think both countries would be if mexicans were allowed to work in the US, and americans were allowed to work in mexico. I would say
both countries would be far better off than they are today. There are two things that start wars; religion and borders. Since religion only seems to
be getting more entrenched and more pernicious, we can at leats do something sensible about borders. And yes, republicans are evil - (couldn't
resist).
Edit: the evil comment was a jab at DK - I admire the simplicity of his world view - yes, there's plenty of blame to go around.
[Edited on 1-7-2009 by The Sculpin]
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I agree with many of your points but their is plenty of blame to go around on this. It is not simply just a "republican" issue. Many democrats have
signed on as well...
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Capital moves freely?
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Sculpin
Borders are anachronisms - they have far outlived their usefulness. Why is it capital is allowed to move freely in the world but labor is not? How
different do you think both countries would be if mexicans were allowed to work in the US, and americans were allowed to work in mexico.
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In your dreams. 
Like labor, there are regulations on the movement of capital. Unless it's in your trunk. 
And... Mexicans are allowed to work in the U.S. just as Americans are allowed to work in Mexico. (Key word is
allow.)
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Sculpin
Borders are anachronisms - they have far outlived their usefulness. Why is it capital is allowed to move freely in the world but labor is not? How
different do you think both countries would be if mexicans were allowed to work in the US, and americans were allowed to work in mexico. I would say
both countries would be far better off than they are today. There are two things that start wars; religion and borders. Since religion only seems to
be getting more entrenched and more pernicious, we can at leats do something sensible about borders. And yes, republicans are evil - (couldn't
resist).
Edit: the evil comment was a jab at DK - I admire the simplicity of his world view - yes, there's plenty of blame to go around.
[Edited on 1-7-2009 by The Sculpin] |
Dwelling on "complexity" is why problems seldom get solved. When you simplify the problem, it is much easier to see "the way" thru it, and solve it.
NOTHING in life is really all that simple----------you simply have to reduce things to simplicity as best you can, and then do what is best for the
most people, it seems to me-----and of course everybody will not agree--------that is just a given.
It's called "management", and often "leadership".
(of course, what do I know-----I am a "mean" and "evil" Republican.) 
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I thought the U.S. showed lots of sensitivity when we built a sewege treatment plant to deal with the Tijuana waste dumped into the river. If the
waste had hit the ocean and gone south instead of north, the "So what" attitude from Mexico might have been different
Building and maintaining a "Love Park" would be a good movie but, wouldn't remain altruistic and pure for long. Who would police it? It would turn
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Eventhough sewage treatment has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, you should know that the treatment plant was paid for by both
Americans and Mexicans, working together to solve a problem. I know that you think the Mexicans should have paid for it all but if you own property in
Mexico and pay property taxes I bet you brag about how cheap it is to live in Mexico right after you b-tch about the lack of infrastructure.
What's wrong with a "Love Park" as you call it? I suppose a "Hate Park" would better suit you.
There is now and will always be a strong border patrol presence policing the area because it is a stone's throw from the beach where you can swim from
Mexico to the US around the fence in 10 minutes, or just walk around at extreme low tides. The place is manned 7/24, lit up like a football field at
night, and full of electronic sensors. Plus there is almost constant helicopter flight operations going on at the nearby NAS that include flying along
the border.
The US really blew a good opportunity to do something simple that would mean much to many people. If you've never seen what happens at this park,
families and friends visiting though the fence, many smiles, many tears, you don't really understand. It is really sad to see this happen.
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Ahhh yes......despite your being an "evil" and "mean" republican, I do agree with you. However, leadership is not merely the ability to reduce complex
problems into their more simple parts. True leadership also involves the ability to communicate to others the significance of those simple parts. In
my simple view, physical borders are an anachronism. They are meant to both keep in and keep out. This desire is no longer congruent with todays
economic thinking. Intangible property is one of the biggest drivers of the world economy - it knows no borders. As long as there are borders, the
rights to it can not be enforced. Intangible property is developed by labor, and as long as labor is contained within borders, those who profit from
its use, yet do not develop it will never be incentivised to protect it. In some respect, the same holds true for labor associated with the
development of tangible property. To me, it is only a matter of time before physical borders are erradicated since they already do not exist for
several drivers of the world economy. You can't get simpler than that!
[Edited on 1-7-2009 by The Sculpin]
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Leaving things as they were... it was getting worse by the year.
We pay taxes for protection... if our neighbors can't respect our property, we build fences or walls.
What solution did the U.S. government miss here Oliver? Is there a better way to keep out thugs? How can a border let the 'minimal law' breakers
through, but keep out the drugs and terrorists? Please some solutions here instead of the name calling and finger pointing.
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If in doubt, keep them OUT !
BTW, has anyone seen the Beautiful job they're doing in Smuggler's Gulch ? It LOOKS GREAT !
Too bad that GWB let the Enviroistas dick around with the project so long before waiving their right to do so. It would have been finished long ago
instead of May 2009.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Sculpin
Ahhh yes......despite your being an "evil" and "mean" republican, I do agree with you. However, leadership is not merely the ability to reduce complex
problems into their more simple parts. True leadership also involves the ability to communicate to others the significance of those simple parts. In
my simple view, physical borders are an anachronism. They are meant to both keep in and keep out. This desire is no longer congruent with todays
economic thinking. Intangible property is one of the biggest drivers of the world economy - it knows no borders. As long as there are borders, the
rights to it can not be enforced. Intangible property is developed by labor, and as long as labor is contained within borders, those who profit from
its use, yet do not develop it will never be incentivised to protect it. In some respect, the same holds true for labor associated with the
development of tangible property. To me, it is only a matter of time before physical borders are erradicated since they already do not exist for
several drivers of the world economy. You can't get simpler than that!
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Apples and oranges, it seems to me, and a rather complex concept you put forth, despite your claim that it is "simple".
Borders have little to do with the economy, and investments. Slightly over 50% of my investments are overseas, and the "borders" in no way hamper
that, that I am aware of, and that is good. That is an "apple".
However, we are not, nor will we ever be in our lifetime, a homogenous world society, no matter how much some wish it so. Borders maintain some sort
of "order", and proper separation between significantly different cultures, societal "systems", and most importantly LEGAL SYSTEMS, without which
would be complete confusion and chaos, in my opinion. Even state borders within the USA accomplish similar functions, tho much less obvious. This
concept is an "orange", in this example.
I am not sure what you are referring to when you say, "borders are to keep in, and keep out". Last time I checked, there were no restrictions that I
am aware of, keeping me "in". You are right in that there are definite downsides to borders, but to me the up-side is so much more important that I
cannot agree that borders should be abolished, or even weakened------quite the contrary, I LIKE borders, including state borders, and even county
borders, etc.. It is called compartmentalizing (is that a word?), making things more simple to manage.
I guess we should just agree to disagree, on this "borders" point.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
I know that you think the Mexicans should have paid for it all but if you own property in Mexico and pay property taxes I bet you brag about how
cheap it is to live in Mexico right after you b-tch about the lack of infrastructure.
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Nope. You're wrong. I accept things just as they are. I change my life when necessary but, the infrastructure is what it is.
Cheap to live in Mexico? It just might be if I lived in my car. Where is it cheap to live in Mexico? Those days are long gone.
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Welcome to Barranquilla, Colombia!
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Where is it cheap to live in Mexico? Those days are long gone. |
You can get an apartment for $30,000.00 USD and live like a king in the barrio!
Quick Geography Lesson
Living life "On the cheap"
Take a motorcycle taxi, or just peddle and burn calories! 
Barranquilla looks nicer than most parts of Baja, plus the beaches are warmer than the Pacific.
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Aw DK - you ask" What solution did the U.S. government miss here". You must be kidding me! I would imagine that regardless of one's political
persuasion, the list of solutions missed by the US Govt would be very long! The first one that comes to my mind is simple enforcement of the current
laws. If we did that, we wouldn't need much in the way of walls. I'm sure our lists would soon diverge after that. Oh, and I 'aint pointin' no
fingers, and I 'aint callin' out no names. I'm just taking your tongue in cheek comment and following up. Barry figured it out....
'Nuff said - I'm going to enjoy Ken's excellent pictures and think about his real estate advice, but I'm still leaning more towards french polynesia.
Que sera, sera!
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Ah yes... Tahiti! I am all for that!
Cheers!
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story updated...
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Popular-Park-to-Ma...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
BTW, has anyone seen the Beautiful job they're doing in Smuggler's Gulch ? It LOOKS GREAT !
Too bad that GWB let the Enviroistas dick around with the project so long before waiving their right to do so. It would have been finished long ago
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