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Pescador
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I was thinking about this story when we entered Algodones last week when we made a quick stop for some liquor and medications. I pulled a little too
close to a sign that was hanging precariously and bumped it, which caused it to fall on my camper and pickup. A shopkeeper held it up while I pulled
out from under it and then I went and parked in a different area and returned to settle up the charges. A policeman and a shopkeeper were there and I
figured to have the little bite put on me and was pretty much prepared to pay. They both said, no, everything is ok, the sign was not put up properly
and we hope that you are not too unhappy with our signs and will come back and shop.
Now this presents a different picture from the one being presented in this story, so I sure do have some questions about the whole situation also.
Seems that Grandpa got caught up in the wrongdoings of the son who was perhaps pushing a little hard to get a "peecture".
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
I was thinking about this story when we entered Algodones last week when we made a quick stop for some liquor and medications. I pulled a little too
close to a sign that was hanging precariously and bumped it, which caused it to fall on my camper and pickup. A shopkeeper held it up while I pulled
out from under it and then I went and parked in a different area and returned to settle up the charges. A policeman and a shopkeeper were there and I
figured to have the little bite put on me and was pretty much prepared to pay. They both said, no, everything is ok, the sign was not put up properly
and we hope that you are not too unhappy with our signs and will come back and shop.
Now this presents a different picture from the one being presented in this story, so I sure do have some questions about the whole situation also.
Seems that Grandpa got caught up in the wrongdoings of the son who was perhaps pushing a little hard to get a "peecture". |
Mexico is a land of extremes, isn't it. Extreme good and extreme bad.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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My Two Cents says that anyone offering to pay a young girl money to take her photograph in any country is just asking to get arrested. I suggest
Grandpa and Granson take a polygraph to help sort out the truth.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
My Two Cents says that anyone offering to pay a young girl money to take her photograph in any country is just asking to get arrested. I suggest
Grandpa and Granson take a polygraph to help sort out the truth.
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Yeah...for sure. Any uninvited attention to kids does, and probably should, bring up the red flags.
Buy a good telephoto lens and keep your distance.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNews
Family members were asked by an intermediary to pay $2,000 to the prosecuting attorney "to make the situation disappear," Shannon Perkins, Edward
Chrisman's granddaughter, said. The payment was not made.
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If my brother and grandfather were in a Mexican jail I'd pay the 2k.
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Trouble is, where is the guarantee that those charges will actually go away and not just enrich the attorney
If the charges were trumped up, what would keep them from some further extortion.
And no matter what, I think it a rather strange story.
[Edited on 2-1-2009 by vandenberg]
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BajaGringo
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Another thing that makes me wonder is if the whole family can't put two thousand dollars together, what is the son doing offering a kid $25 bucks for
a simple photograph.
Just my...
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ELINVESTIG8R
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 Those are some big pennies. You win hands down!
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Loretana
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"Family members were asked by an intermediary to pay $2,000 to the prosecuting attorney to make the situation go away".......
It seems to me if the Ministerio Publico (Mexican equivalent of the District Attorney) was asking for money it would have been split with the family
and the charges would have been resolved right there. He most likely dictated an "Auto Formal de Prision" and now it will cost many thousands of
dollars to get these guys out.
Remember, Mexico still adheres to the Napoleanic Legal Code, or "guilty until proven innocent".
If it was my family member, I'de have paid that "fianza" in a heartbeat!!
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ckiefer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
I would if I was guilty. |
Guilty or not, if it got to that stage, it went too far. The longer one is left in jail on principle, the more expensive it gets.
Pay up and get out then, make it your life's reason to let the world know what happened and didn't. |
A BIG ditto on that one!
[Edited on 2-1-2009 by ckiefer]
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TMW
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Last year I paid the cops in Mexicali a total of $350 and a bus driver $200 all over a wreck (my fault) to stay out of jail. $2,000 to get out of jail
concerning nude pixs of a young girl would take me about 1 second to think it over and pay.
I should add guilty or not.
[Edited on 2-1-2009 by TW]
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
I would if I was guilty. |
Guilty or not, if it got to that stage, it went too far. The longer one is left in jail on principle, the more expensive it gets.
Pay up and get out then, make it your life's reason to let the world know what happened and didn't. |
Sage words indeed Dennis,
CaboRon
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Bajahowodd
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Three observations:
First, I don't see any value except incendiary in the second news posting where the reporter revisits a 27 year old case. Don't see any relevance-
just incendiary.
Second, it was briefly mentioned that Mexico has passed an almost complete overhaul of its criminal justice system in 2008, aligning it to our system.
They wisely decided to phase in the changes over a period of years, and it remains to be seen how difficult it will be to change from a guilty until
proven innocent system, to one of innocent until proven guilty.
Finally, there really does have to be more to this than has been revealed. with the international attention having been focused for some time, it
makes no sense to seemingly be stagnant. There are all sorts of cross-border communications between police in both countries. Did someone not pay
their phone bill? This ain't Afganistan. It's a walk across the border.
Did I hear someone say "pedophile"?
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gnukid
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Misunderstandings are very common which lead to these miscommunications and perceived or projected wrongdoing, then of course pride gets in the way of
reasoning. Even still, if the perp was a criminal it wouldn't be unlikely to be released until trial. Many criminals who photos are in the paper are
released daily after their arrest.
I suggest that common sense be used here-
1) no crime was committed-mayor looked at photos and no evidence exists of any crime.
2) The senior fellow was not in the store and can not possibly be a party to a non-existent crime.
3) the woman alleges that a suggestion was made of inappropriate behavior but that it never occurred.
4) Certainly there is no crime, only the suggestion of a misunderstanding on the part of the mother.
5) Police falsely arrested the two men and are too proud to resolve it.
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Bajahowodd
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If you want to disbelieve the mother of the girl who said a knife was displayed by the gringo.....
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BajaGringo
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I assume that is the way their family sees it.
Of course there weren't any improper photos on the camera - the young girl refused to pose for the man.
How can you say that "certainly there was no crime"? None of us were there as witnesses. Or are you saying that asking an underage girl to pose for
nude photos is not a crime???
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Sharksbaja
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"Did I hear someone say "pedophile"?"
ahem..... think you meant "pedophiles"
gosh darnn Viagra!
Yeah sure, we all share our preversions with grandpa. Good grief. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
If you want to disbelieve the mother of the girl who said a knife was displayed by the gringo..... |
These "Mothers" can be as predatory as bad cops. The drill is well known. It happened to a good friend of mine. It's all about money.
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BajaGringo
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I would buy that except being a shop owner that DEPENDS on tourists seems to be quite counter-productive. Who knows what the truth is?
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Pato
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I've come across lots of scammers and opportunistic behavior in Mexico. Even many usually "decent" folks will behave opportunistically in order to
grab some extra chunk of change. That's not just south of the border either. Too many shady things seem to exist for both sides, so who is right ? Pay
the 2k and get the heck out of there.
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Bajahowodd
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Good point, Sharks. There just has to be more to this story. Arresting Grandpa for allegedly sitting in a parked car???
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