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Former San Jose, California, police chief Joseph McNamara told the Times, "It's going on all over the country, and corruption ranges from chiefs and
sheriffs on down to officers. Every week we read of another police scandal related to the drug war -- corruption, brutality and even armed robbery by
cops in uniform."
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/148/overabarrel.shtm...
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Illegal Drug Scene Spurs Rise in Police Corruption
10 year old article, I'm sure things are better now.
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/jun/13/news/mn-59493
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
To think that there is not some level of penetration into local law enforcement in the United States is naive and uninformed. The cartels have
become very effecient and well organized operations with almost unlimited amounts of money. Perhaps you would rather classify the interaction as
lobbying in their best interest of the cartels.
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Well... since Calderon won't give up all these evil U.S. participants, maybe you with all your intrinsic knowledge will. Between you and the
president of Mexico, we have learned that there are U.S. officials complicit in the drug trade. Can you tell us WHO? Can Calderon tell us WHO?
No... YOU can't and your butt-buddy Calderon won't.
It's shameful that you would side with a system that houses a drug industry in the process of feeding our, and the world's problem and has the power
to overturn its government in the process.
Why would you give justification to this illicit industry by guessing that our officials are involved? If you think they are, you must know they
are. Who are they? Tell us. Tell the world of what you know for a fact.
[Edited on 3-7-2009 by DENNIS]
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You're right Dennis. But how much is the retail/street value of those drugs crossing the border? I'm guessing 10-100 times the billions that it's
bringing to Mexico. Someone's corrupt somewhere.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by robrt8
You're right Dennis. But how much is the retail/street value of those drugs crossing the border? I'm guessing 10-100 times the billions that it's
bringing to Mexico. Someone's corrupt somewhere. |
It goes back into the streets in its billions of ways. What does that have to do with corrupt officials? What do they have to do with the
distribution of wealth from street drug sales? Who is the corrupt official involved in these transactions that Calderon alludes to?
I want names or I want shut up.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rpleger
It seems that when an American lights up a doobie, a Mexican has to die.
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Obviously, The Americans don't care.  |
On the contrary. Alot of american's DO care, and insist on purchasing their "doobies" with the label MADE IN THE USA. Not all doobies are imported.
Alot of it is homegrown, grow house etc. all in the USA I think if more american's knew the extent of the violence involved in their "lighting up"
they would think twice about where they purchase their stash! Ok, maybe only responsible americans. See also:
Get Up, Stand Up: Ammiano Introduces Marijuana Legalization Bill to the Press
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2009/02/get_up_stand_up_ammiano_introd.php
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Holy guano, if I may. Legalization of weed would go a long way toward destroying the cartels in MX. Domestic cultivation of this ubiquitous weed,
combined with the fact that many, many addicts who use other drugs, would opt for a legal high, would seem to nail the coffin shut on the cartels.
That being said, I have no allusions that these criminals would not turn to other illegal activities to make dinero. But the good news would be that
their illegal activities would be within the ambit of the mexican government, and be wholly distinct from any "demand factor" from the U.S.
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All i will say is this, a huge portion of the drugs going into the US, does not get smuggled as most people think. Vans full of drugs get waived
across borders all the time, we know it, they know it, so make your conclusions.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
All i will say is this, a huge portion of the drugs going into the US, does not get smuggled as most people think. Vans full of drugs get waived
across borders all the time, we know it, they know it, so make your conclusions. |
I've been told by some pretty dirty people that the bulk of smuggled drugs goes across in containers on ships. I've heard that for twenty years.
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It doesn't necessarily take corrupt cops or officials in the US to perpetuate the drug problem.
How many prison guards want to see their jobs go away with fewer users imprisoned?
How about the number of cops whose jobs and livelihood depend on chasing down the users and drug related crimes?
How many lawyers are making money defending the thousands of drug related cases?
Lets face it- This is a multi billion dollar industry that will not go away and we are all paying the price one way or the other. The big difference
is we in the US pay in tax dollars and Mexico pays in blood.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by robrt8
You're right Dennis. But how much is the retail/street value of those drugs crossing the border? I'm guessing 10-100 times the billions that it's
bringing to Mexico. Someone's corrupt somewhere. |
It goes back into the streets in its billions of ways. What does that have to do with corrupt officials? What do they have to do with the
distribution of wealth from street drug sales? Who is the corrupt official involved in these transactions that Calderon alludes to?
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Dennis, are you talking about high level officials or low level officials? I ask because over the last few years there have been several publicized
arrests of low level US officials, mostly Border Agents, who were corrupt as all get out. Drug smuggling, illegal immigrant smuggling-- whatever, when
that kind of money is involved there is bound to be corruption somewhere.
I guess I don't understand why you're so hot about the subject. Saying that some "officials" in the US might be corrupt and contributing to
the problem is very likely to be true.
Here's an article from May 2008 about the subject: Border Agents, Lured by the Other Side
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/us/27border.html?n=Top/
And then there's this, from Feb.1 this year:
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Deming US Border Patrol agent arrested on bribery charges
FBI agents have arrested a U.S. Border Patrol agent assigned to Deming who is accused of accepting bribes in exchange for allowing narcotics to pass
through his patrol area. The FBI says Wednesday that Agent Eric Raymond Macias turned himself in to FBI agents Friday at their Las Cruces offices.
Macias' arrest follows a 2-year investigation by the FBI, the Homeland Security Department's Office of Inspector General and the internal affairs
office at the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol. Court records show Macias allegedly accepted $39,000 in bribes from a witness who was cooperating with
investigators. Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier says such cases are isolated incidents and don't reflect the professionalism of Border Patrol
agents.
http://thewesterner.blogspot.com/2009/02/deming-us-border-pa...
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A quick google search turns up all kinds of incidents and names over a period of several years, so to assume that US officials are somehow blameless
just because they're "ours" seems unrealistic.
[Edited on 3-8-2009 by tigerdog]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tigerdog
A quick google search turns up all kinds of incidents and names over a period of several years, so to assume that US officials are somehow blameless
just because they're "ours" seems unrealistic.
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I guess we have to define "officials." My reference is to management, not labor.
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