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JESSE
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The previous owners told me that there is indeed a problem with some campers that are ruining it for everybody. The people that hold the concession to
the federal zone, are constantly fined by Semarnat if they find trash, oil, or any sort of pollution on the beach. I have personally seen people park
their cars right on the sand and stay there for weeks, wich will obviously leave fluids and trash. Also, they park right in front of peoples houses
and block their views, so dont entirely blame the owners.
If you want to camp in baja, dont park your car on the beach, on front of peoples houses, and dont stay there for weeks, sometimes months on end.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
If you want to camp in baja, dont park your car on the beach, on front of peoples houses, and dont stay there for weeks, sometimes months on end.
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IMO, If this had been followed from the git-go there would never have been a problem.
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tripledigitken
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No camping at Chivato seems a shame.
Make a portion of the area available for camping with appropriate rules, and then enforce them.
Most of the current owners of property in Chivato are there because of their exposure to camping at that beach. They built their homes knowing that
the beach was used by campers. Sounds like people who live near an airport and once in their house complain about the jet noise.
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Pacifico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
No camping at Chivato seems a shame.
Make a portion of the area available for camping with appropriate rules, and then enforce them.
Most of the current owners of property in Chivato are there because of their exposure to camping at that beach. They built their homes knowing that
the beach was used by campers. Sounds like people who live near an airport and once in their house complain about the jet noise.
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Well put Ken! I remember going there when there were no houses and only the hotel. Then the houses slowly appeared and suddenly some of the homeowners
wanted the camping beach closed. People are funny that way....This has been a revolving issue for years. Maybe better enforcement of some rules would
solve everything???
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Pompano
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Ah, the good old days of Punta Chivato beach camping in it's infancy. We are talking NOSTALGIA here. 
wsdunc, Pacifico, and all other old-time Chivato campers...perhaps you'll remember some scenes from 1975 - 1988? Being an unofficial part of the old
hotel and nearby casa grande during those years, I had some great times enjoying the big house, restoring spartan hotel rooms, that gorgeous point of
land, the fishing and diving, and welcoming all the many campers on the beaches. Memory Lane for me. Planting palms with Doc, buying patio furniture
at Kobey's and many trips hauling to Chivato. Building cisterns, solar hot water panels, hauling garbage with Jorge, dove, quail, and duck hunts, did
I mention the fishing!
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Bill Alvarado on the left with some nice tuna. We were with my fellow Baja-wanderer, nomad aquaholic, who passed away this last June..rest in peace,
old friend.
The beach camping then was second to none..the lucky foks who discovering that place way back in the day thought it was Paradise...and in a way, it
was.
Although I had flown over a few times perviously, my first trip going ashore there was by cabin cruiser a few years after builder Lou Federico's
departure and was a frequent resident at my casa grande room until renovator Bill Alvarado's departure. The history of the place is
...ah..interesting, to say the least. 
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Does anyone recall Bill's two sons, Doc Lyons, George Staples, Dr. Sordo, Pepe Piano, Billy Brush, and so many others of that era? The trail in was a
natural deterrent to crowds. It was a spine-busting washboard that was 4 or 40..your choice.
Then, a few years later, old flyers Rich & Jeannie from Wyoming who built the very first home there? They flew the most colorful 180 I have ever
seen. (a serious search feature..makes sense if crashing enroute!) And then so many new home owners/builders arriving...and most are still there
today.
But, as usual waxing nostalgic, I digress from the topic at hand...Beach camping at Chivato stopped. Temporary or permenent? We
shall see.
Good or bad?.. I don't know these days... as I have lost my familiarity with the area for many years now. I do know we hosted many hundreds of
well-behaved and caring campers over those early years. Naturally, there were a few malcontents..a very few, thank God. I don't know what the issue
today is..perhaps camper's holding tanks? There are so many new homes out there these days. Throwing garbage, beachdriving, and camping deliberately
in front of someone's house view is antogonistic and begs trouble, I would suspect.
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The 'as yet' undeveloped beach areas towards Mulege and north towards San Bruno: Cannot those areas still be used for beach campers? I take it the
beach camping on the lighthouse point is no longer allowed...in addition to Shell Beach?
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I just had a thought....Do they still allow airplane camping at Pta. Chivato? As shown here in 1981-82.
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If not, that's a pity, but Baja, she's a'changing... faster'n a bad burrito thru your colon.
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I knew it was time to leave when this happened in the late 80's
[Edited on 3-26-2009 by Pompano]
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Russ
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Good report Pompano. 
I really hope they'll do some improvements to the camp area and re-open it. Doubtful but a nice thought. The manager told us they would be removing
the showers & outhouses soon because they'll be held responsible for the "dirt". Maybe the Santa Ynez camp will take off and be a good place for
some isolated camping.
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jahImpala3
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This is a bummer. My grandparents started camping there in the late 1970's. They started taking me in the 1980's during summer vacation. I always
looked foward to the epic Dorado fishing. I took my wife there for her first Dorado fishing trip in July 2007. It was a great trip. I guess I will
have to try and get a place on Shell Beach. Thanks for the information Russ.
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Russ
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jahImpala3, I'm hoping what ever Jesse was referring to will change the current situation on the beach but I have my doubts. The guy at the guard
shack is now telling people they can access the beach by going thru my yard. I've had a couple people drive right thru my yard to the beach. Most
figure out it's someones home and ask where there is an access. Samana Santa should be real interesting.
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jahImpala3
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Russ, thats too bad people are driving through your yard. I've seen pictures you have posted of your place and remember seeing it while boating the
coast to check out the houses. I hope to have a place like yours in the future. Punta Chivato/Mulege is a very special place to my family and me.
Hopefully at least they could stop the traffic driving across your yard.
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