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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 10:22 AM


I don't mind Ron's opinions.....it's his constant whining that gets old....and he's pretty quick to generalize. He moved to Mexico and didn't like it....so move on.....



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 10:42 AM


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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 11:09 AM
Consider substituting the word "human" for Mexican government


Ron,

Your post is sad, but true. It is also true of every other government on the planet. They are all run by greedy, selfish, political humans.

I, too, served in the US armed forces, yet I also have an education. I'm proud to be an American despite its faults and sometimes shameful history.

Consider picking up (or re-reading) a history book. Its the same story over and over. Selfish humans abusing other humans(white, red, yellow, brown and black) for power and wealth. Nothing new here.

Now, how did it start in Mexico? Spaniards dominated the indians and then the French and then the Yanks. Probably the Chinese will take us all over next.

We've got the same thing in the US except they are all lawyers, politicians and unions (hope you're not counting on a GM pension). If you don't think the US has corruption....

As for me, I love Baja for the escape from civilization and its beautiful harsh environment. I spend money freely and generously in Baja to help these wonderful people. That's my way of helping.

Have an enlightened day!




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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 11:26 AM


Ron has, or is supporting an unpopular opinion. It's shameful that some would try to deny him that. Very unamerican...to say the least.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 11:33 AM


I think just accepting and understanding that Mexico is, and forever will be- Stuck On Stupid- covers all the bases.



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 11:38 AM


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I think just accepting and understanding that Mexico is, and forever will be- Stuck On Stupid- covers all the bases.
For the Educated that's very understandable, however for some of the ex pats existing there it's a little more complicated.:lol:



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 12:08 PM


Ok I've lived in La Paz 15 years and I see nothing difficult about living here and I don't really speak the language but I can communicate for all of my needs. I don't have trouble with the Police, immigration, or government agency's. It is very comfortable here and feel very safe. Just completed a round trip to the states was no different than any other time except the road is in very good condition.



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 12:34 PM
En"caboron" ado


Yes, amigos, it is sad that Ron can't occupy his new found "freedom" from La Baja (as he puts it) with something more constructive............he just cannot stop with the venom and negativity.

Some people just don't have a life. I feel bad for him.

Now I'm going to trot down the beach with my doggie, smile and wave at my fellow Loretanos and get those nice shrimp my wandering shrimp vendor sold me yesterday into a spicy marinade.

I'll watch the intelligent senior newscaster Joachin Lopez Doriga later, causing me to learn a bit more spanish, and contemplate the culture, and then sleep soundly knowing that I made the right choice.

And Cabron? He's up there planning his next attack on our adopted host country.

Sweet dreams, cabron. Con permiso!! Cabo Ron. :saint:




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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 01:52 PM


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Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
RON

JUST GO, YOU DON'T HAVE THE LOVE FOR MEXICO TO BE POSTING ON THIS FORUM.:fire::fire::fire:


I have gone back to America ...

And what is your deal anyway ....

You NEVER offered any friendship when I lived in La Paz ...

Go stick you head back in the sand ....

My job now is to spread the TRUTH about La Baja so that others don't get worked over....

And who made you the definer of what is posted on this forum.... I believe that is up to the moderator ....

You are such a jack burro .....

I am now living in one of the greatest countries on the planet ....

I have seen the dark underbelly of mexico and their polite (repressed) people ....

Probably one of the most corrupt and failed countries in the world....

You probably actually bought a home there .... bet you do not hold clear title in your hands .... and you never will ....

You will always be seen as a gringo in the eyes of the mexicans .....

Did you read the article ? Or simply dismiss it outright ....

Perhaps you should head the warnings by the dwindling intelligencia of mexico .... most of them have left their failing country ....

Always the mordida, tramites and none of it goes for the common good .... but mearly to line the pockets of the corrupt...

That's why you destroy your cars on pot holed, dirt roads, and cannot drink the water because most do not wash their hands after deficating on the beaches and urinating in your yard :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I could go on, however I realize now you are in such complete denial that you will never understand what a trap you have put yourself in ....

CaboRon :lol::lol:
I know this will be received in the same manner as Comitan's comments, however I'm also sick of your Mexico-bashing, your individual-bashing, your perpetual negativity & your total ingratitude toward the people who DID welcome you here, attempted to befriend you, attempted to help you see beyond your narrow-minded negativity to what Baja truly is.

Why should/would Wiley have attempted to offer you any friendship? He & all of us read on a daily basis of your disdain for the people, the culture. He read in your own words how you received & responded to the friendship & help that were offered to you. I deeply regret having helped facilitate your renting Lee's property. While Lee is a true lady & understands your actions were not my fault, I'm still deeply embarrassed by your actions towards her. Your public statements that she had to be sleeping with her handyman because she refused to allow you you to make renovations or "improvements" to her property to suit yourself was beyond low, even for you! You criticized, belittled & slandered everyone I know who offered friendship & helped you....Lee, myself, oldlady.

Ron, I feel that you are a miserably unhappy person whose main goal in life can only be to draw as many people as possible down into the slime with you. And yes, I know, let me save you the trouble of having to type your feelings out again...everyone knows that smokers are the lowest form of excrement on the planet; they have NO redeeming qualities, so any help or friendship offered by smokers is below your expressing an ounce of gratitude or appreciation! Isn't is strange that at least 3 of those filthy, nasty, scum-of-the-earth smokers were the first people to offer you help?!:bounce:

After reading your views on everything & everyone, Gringo & Mexican alike, why on earth would any sane person want to extend their hand towards you in friendship?? What would you bring to the table? Friendship is a two-way street. As you showed those you did meet, you are a user. Cool trick in removing the passenger seat from your Bronco....look at all the gas money it saved you when you wanted to meet for lunch....in my recommended restaurants where you were rude to the wait-staff & oh so critical of the food!

Ron, it's possible that you may yet learn during your lifetime that we each are judged on the sum total of our actions & our words. You go through life with total disdain for everyone & everything & that's what's going to come back to you. I've always said that "like breeds like." What you fail to recognize is that you're only getting back exactly what you give out!:yes: You want respect then offer it to others! I'm glad I don't live in your head, it's got to be a truly lonely place to be!:(

"My job now is to spread the TRUTH about La Baja so that others don't get worked over...."So others don't have the common sense, the intelligence, their own unique experiences to make their own decisions & determine what speaks to their hearts about where & whatever draws them to Baja? As someone who has more $$ than common sense says, "Ron, you're FIRED!"

I've read your words on the many constructions threads over time on how to build here, what to watch out for....as the empty words they were. You never built here! You never bought a home here! You never attempted to accept anything or anyone here for the reality of what they truly are! It/they/we didn't fit your mould, so the hell with it! Your opinionated rhetoric was received as just that. Your words were based on rumor & innuendo, not personal experience or first-hand knowledge. You have zero credibility with me.

If you sincerely believe that anyone places any credibility on your "words of wisdom", you're sadly mistaken. Because your words proceeded you, I'm guessing that you weren't ever personally invited to any social gatherings where individual invitations were issued & you opted not to come to any of the open-invitation gatherings that I attended, you missed out on hearing firsthand what a know-nothing blowhard you've painted yourself. You've long been the butt of jokes for the negative posts you make & your long-professed hatred for all things Mexican. Nobody I know takes you seriously.

"I am now living in one of the greatest countries on the planet" No argument from me on that one, but if you believe for one second the USA doesn't have it's own share of problems & things that are going to replace the things that made you so negative & miserable in Baja, then I suggest that you might want to consider waking up & smelling the coffee! This is a foreign country, things move at their own pace, they're governed by rules & laws that make sense to them. Judging or measuring them by your own personal ruler is ludicrous! You failed at Rule #1: Leaving your USA expectations & standards at the border!:no:

"I have seen the dark underbelly of mexico and their polite (repressed) people" I personally believe that you READ more about it than you personally experienced.

Ron, anyone could create the same type of negatively biased smear campaign about the USA that you're attempting to create here, but what you fail to realize is that your audience is predominantly composed of people who love Baja; warts & all. They have the intelligence & the ability to look beyond the warts to see the unique things they truly love & respect about this country & it's people. They have vision, they have heart, they'll make their own decisions despite all the caca you attempt to sling. Your continued attempts to ruin it for everyone by attempting to force them to see Mexico through your eyes only magnifies your own misery & personal dissatisfaction with your own life. If you sincerely believe that you'll help even a single individual with your posts here, then you're even more self-delusional than current consensus!:(

You tried Baja & failed miserably. Please leave all things Mexican in the dust & move forward with your life back in the USA & stop inflicting your personal pain & dissatisfaction with your own life on all of us!
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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 02:13 PM


How totally well stated.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 02:19 PM


Longlegs - does this mean the wedding is off?



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 02:45 PM


SNAP! A rant of the highest caliber, well played. [Golf claps]



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 02:45 PM


Ron you can come up for air now, then-----Poof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 02:49 PM


longlegsinlapaz

For your 999th post well done.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 03:10 PM


longlegsinlapaz,

next time it make it over to La Paz, my god would I love to buy you a drink! I applaud your post!!!!

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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 03:23 PM


Well said girl.
Hat off to you for really knowing how to express yourself.
Now time to simmer down, have a c-cktail and prepare for a good nights sleep, knowing that you spoke for most of us.

Again, congrats!!!

On further thought, " is this guy really worthy of all this attention.:?::?:

[Edited on 5-19-2009 by vandenberg]




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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 03:25 PM
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I think that the posted article is scholarly and well-researched.

If you chose to live in Mexico, take time to learn the culture around you and get to know your neighbors. Take nothing fpr gramted because you are far more wealthy than the indigenous population (in the Military Speak of the U.S. "You are a high value target of opportunity").

If you travel to Europe, in the wealthy communities, i.e., the South of France, all the second homes have bars and metal shutters.




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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 03:36 PM


Well said longlegsinlapaz you certainly said all of what I thought and more...BRAVO!!!!!!!! :):):):):):):):)



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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 04:01 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by losfrailes
How totally well stated.



Nice, well stated rant, as you say.
I'm your friend, Ron, but what Miss Carol says has a lot of truth. You changed. You arn't the Ron that looked forward to life in Baja when you first made your trip.
I love you, buddy. I always appreciated your support on issues here and your take on Baja. You came here with blue skys in your mind and found clouds. I'm really sorry for that. Not for Baja or us here but, for you. You're a really good person.

We here shouldn't pile upon you any more than we have at this point but, when you get situated elsewhere, and have a twinge of missing us, I hope you'll return with good stuff about you. I know there's a lot of that there.

I'm your friend, Ron You know that.
Stay in touch with all of us.....Please.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2009 at 04:16 PM


legs....nice job; well said, complete..you speak for a lot of people that would like to move on.



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