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[*] posted on 6-27-2009 at 04:54 PM


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Metal and salt water don't mix and I'm sure the towers need new legs. The legs should have been part of the "donation" or they shouldn't have made it a huge feel-good story. The "lifeguard tower donations co-ordinator" should be tarred and feathered for not finishing the job.


I disagree! I understand your thoughts, but look at it from a different perspective....several Mexican beaches will be safer for kids & adults alike due to the increased visibility because of the height. It's better than someone attempting to watch from ground level! And the largest part of the cost was donated in the cost of the towers themselves. Mexicans are pretty ingenious people & they'll find a way to come up with what else is needed to get the towers safe & functional & start saving lives!

Do you honestly feel they'd have been better off without having the towers donated in the first place? :?::?:

I'm guessing it was the newspapers that made it "a huge feel-good story", not the "lifeguard tower donations co-ordinator", so please turn off the heat under your tar bucket & stuff those feathers back in your pillow before your wife finds out what you did with them! ;)

I believe the term is don't look a gift-horse in the mouth! :bounce:


Sometimes you do.

The "baywatch" culture of lifeguarding simply doesn't exist in Rosarito Beach. They don't even use a "tower" system with the one tower they have (it's chained up to the guard house). The guards wizz around on quads and sometimes a jetski. I doubt they would even sit in a tower all day long. On sunny afternoons they actually block their window with curtains in the guard house because it's just too sunny to stare at the beach out of. Nowhere else in the world would a lifeguard block his ocean view. Anyone who understands what I mean by a "baywatch" professional culture would be stunned at what passes for lifeguarding down here. And it's not about the pay- they aren't paid anything anywhere and it's not why the real ones guard at all.

Lifeguards here don't earn their jobs through cattle call tryouts and swim/run competitions like in San Diego- they get them from family friends on the fire department. There is no lifeguard training, daily training drills and I have never even seen them swim. Truly. Not one lifeguard swimming the coast in six years I've been watching, not one.

Nor do they have any equipment in their "ready room". I offered a donation a few years back to help them buy some basics- but they told me not to waste my money because the fire department would just keep it for themselves.

The last thing they need is towers to play and party in. It takes major training and discipline to be alert all day in a guard tower and watch every nuance of rip currents and track every child in their watch area. They would need to hire people who understand this first.

So IMHO even if the towers were brand new- it's way beyond their capacity to operate effectively until they get the other priorities straight (recruting and training).

The "towers" would better serve Rosarito Beach as the first 5 public restrooms- No legs needed. Cut a hole in the floor, hang some TP and charge 5 pesos. It would save people from pitching tents to use as bathrooms.

We had a family friend drown here and the "lifeguards" wouldn't even swim into the water to look for him. They looked with a jetski for twenty minutes and told the family the body would wash back up in a few days (it did). Can you imagne getting that response in San Diego? It would never ever happen and the guards would never stop the search.

So back to your point- do you look a gift horse in the mouth. If it's a gift you can't use or don't know how to use, maybe yes. And who gives broken gifts? JMHO




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[*] posted on 7-7-2009 at 11:20 PM


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What the lifeguards WOULD be excited about, and I have talked with a few- is the training part. They want to train and be real lifeguards but there is no one to teach them. Maybe set up some simple training exchanges with nearby Imperial Beach guards and then ramp it up until it becomes a training culture. But maybe they should start the training culture in the Police or Bomberos first- then the lifeguards. JMObservations

[Edited on 6-14-2009 by Woooosh]


The Imperial Beach Lifeguard Association has been involved with the training of volunteer lifeguard groups from all over baja since 2005. All of the trainers are strictly volunteer, and have donated time, money, and equipment to make sure those involved received the best possible training.

That being said, Rosarito sent ONE, just ONE lifeguard to the San Diego Regional Lifeguard Academy this year, the academy ALL lifeguards in San Diego County must attend. The Regional Academy coordinators set aside spots specifically for lifeguards from Mexico who are interested.

I myself have thousands of dollars invested in our training programs. And why do I do it, because of the love of my profession, as well as the love of the country.

You said you'd like to make a donation to the Rosarito Lifeguards, may I suggest sending your donation to IBLA. We are a non-profit, you can request your money be spent for equipment or training in Rosarito, and it is tax-deductible. Also, we are always looking for people to be our liason in regards to training. If you know lifeguards who are interested in setting up a training program, we are interested in working with them. Our volunteers are more than willing to start working with them!

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Thanks for your reply and for validating my overall position. You are exactly the commited person who fits and maintains the "Baywatch" culture I speak of. You do it for the love, not the money or glory.

I'm glad you are out there for IB and it is too bad Rosarito sent just one person for your training when you would have taken them all. I'd be very interested to know how he did in the training- because 5000 people per day depend on him. I'll bet he was in total baywatch culture shock and couldn't outswim, outsave or even out-tough even your junior lifeguards. Did he even pass or did you give him a pat on the head and send him back home?

One lifeguard with training can't save the 5 thousand beachgoers in Rosarito. Sadly, it's like a lot of things down here- the Rosarito authorities overtalk and can't deliver. You and I can't fix Mexico- Mexico has to fix Mexico. I think the important message is that: Rosarito has one trained lifeguard and anyone who thinks beach safety is a priorty is just plain wrong. They made up the hoopla about the towers coming- but one guy can't sit in five towers at the same time every day to watch 5000 people- even if someday the towers go into service.

What a shame, what a sham, what a non-surprise. really. I have a dead family friend to show for what I knew to be true- these guys are amateurs. Which is really moe dangerous than not being there at all- it gives tourists a false sense of security.

What color beach condition flag do you suggest they put up for "you are on your own?"




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It's possible the one LG was sent FROM Rosarito...not BY Rosarito and had to pay his/her own way. That wouldn't surprise me given the current state of the economy.
If all goes well, this one student may learn enough to pass on some new found expertise. That would be a positive way to think about this.
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this is a very interesting thread as it represents a common issue...gringos trying to help mexico. Maybe we cant fix mexico...but we certainly can strive to help in our own small way. If every gringo here just decided to help in ONE small way...whatever interests you...it WOULD make a difference to someone. I have always been a believer in the motto "one person CAN make a difference" even though the problems seem insurmountble.

Now...i think it would be possible for someone in rosarito to meet with the lifeguards and organize a/some training workshops...organize it with Mr.Pilgrims group...spoil the volunteers who come to train. Like the flying sams doctors...it can work if someone takes the time and effort to organize it...some training surely would be better than none and maybe the lifeguards might enjoy learning more and give them more incentive to be a better guard.




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[*] posted on 7-8-2009 at 08:03 AM
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Don't get in the water.


I've been down here for eleven years the whole time living on or steps from the water and have been in a total of once.

Put up a sign saying, "Swim at your own risk" and free the lifeguard to do something really important:

Guarding cars. :rolleyes:




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[*] posted on 7-8-2009 at 08:26 AM


Or planes.......
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this is a very interesting thread as it represents a common issue...gringos trying to help mexico. Maybe we cant fix mexico...but we certainly can strive to help in our own small way. If every gringo here just decided to help in ONE small way...whatever interests you...it WOULD make a difference to someone. I have always been a believer in the motto "one person CAN make a difference" even though the problems seem insurmountble.

Now...i think it would be possible for someone in rosarito to meet with the lifeguards and organize a/some training workshops...organize it with Mr.Pilgrims group...spoil the volunteers who come to train. Like the flying sams doctors...it can work if someone takes the time and effort to organize it...some training surely would be better than none and maybe the lifeguards might enjoy learning more and give them more incentive to be a better guard.


Thanks for the support, we have been working with Chelo and the crew down at Abreojos for 3 years now with another trip coming up in the Fall, and its been getting bigger and bigger and we are touching more and more people. Now with the Trotter's on board in Bahia Asuncion, we have another contact, and another town to "drown proof"!

The biggest thing is, it take those who care, to take the next step. So, Woosh, since you are down in Rosarito full time, and you know some of those who are filling the lifeguard duties down in Rosarito, why not make contact with them, I'm sure most are familiar with what we do, and let them know we are here to help, all they have to do is ask. Help us help them. We work hand in hand with Tijuana and Ensenada and would love to have Rosarito on board.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050729/news_1m29sa...

http://www.baja.com/news/Baja-Lifeguards-Save-3-Tourists/

http://www.paddlesurf.net/2008/09/punta-abreojos-volunteer-l...

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[*] posted on 7-8-2009 at 11:32 AM


Most people come to enjoy the sun and the sea
Many Mexicans make there living on the sea
not many take a plane to work




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It's possible the one LG was sent FROM Rosarito...not BY Rosarito and had to pay his/her own way. That wouldn't surprise me given the current state of the economy.
If all goes well, this one student may learn enough to pass on some new found expertise. That would be a positive way to think about this.


The lifeguard sent from Rosarito, was sent to represent Rosarito and was driving a Rosarito Bombero's vehicle. We do not ask them to pay for the class.
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welcome to the nomad board mr.pilgrim and thanks for all the great work you do...look forward to meeting you sometime in asuncion.



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The lifeguard sent from Rosarito, was sent to represent Rosarito and was driving a Rosarito Bombero's vehicle. We do not ask them to pay for the class.


It just doesn't pay to give Rosarito the benefit of the doubt. If a thousand people drown in the surf there, Torres will just blame the US press instead of his useless self.
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welcome to the nomad board mr.pilgrim and thanks for all the great work you do...look forward to meeting you sometime in asuncion.


Shari,

Thanks for the support. I hope to get down to the next training session this fall but unfortunately I picked up a head coaching job for a local high school's water polo team and the trip is planned for the middle of my season. I do plan on doing a drive by this winter on my way to Todos! I'll give you a holler!

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Rosarito doesn't take beach safety seriously. You can't shmooze or spoil people into being a dedicated lifeguard- it comes from the heart. Hundreds of young people COMPETE for these positions stateside- not get appointed by a family friend- they earn their jobs.

MPilgrim is speaking very carefully- as anyone in his position would. You can't shame Rosarito into making lifeguarding important. It is very twisted that a town complaining about a lack of beach tourists cares so little for their health and safety once they arrive. You think that would be on the top of their list- not the very bottom.

The one guy they sent didn't become certified as a Master Trainer in one day with a plan to return to Rosarito and share everything he could learn in a day. That is insulting to people like MPilgrim who built their lifeguard skills over many years- not several hours.

Questions for MPilgrim: Did the one guy they send even know how to swim? How much training can the guy really absorb in a day? How long is the training program the other guards are all required to complete- one day? Did he show any interest in getting more training? Would you allow your family to swim here- from a lifeguard saftey perspective? Just curious.




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Rosarito doesn't take beach safety seriously. You can't shmooze or spoil people into being a dedicated lifeguard- it comes from the heart. Hundreds of young people COMPETE for these positions stateside- not get appointed by a family friend- they earn their jobs.

MPilgrim is speaking very carefully- as anyone in his position would. You can't shame Rosarito into making lifeguarding important. It is very twisted that a town complaining about a lack of beach tourists cares so little for their health and safety once they arrive. You think that would be on the top of their list- not the very bottom.

The one guy they sent didn't become certified as a Master Trainer in one day with a plan to return to Rosarito and share everything he could learn in a day. That is insulting to people like MPilgrim who built their lifeguard skills over many years- not several hours.

Questions for MPilgrim: Did the one guy they send even know how to swim? How much training can the guy really absorb in a day? How long is the training program the other guards are all required to complete- one day? Did he show any interest in getting more training? Would you allow your family to swim here- from a lifeguard saftey perspective? Just curious.


He went through the full 7 day program. 10 hours per day. Completed every event and test.

Going to the beach in Baja is like going to the beach in any other part of the world. It is dangerous, people do drown. Lifeguards or not. Swimming at any beach is at your own risk.

If you look back into the history of lifeguarding, almost all agencies were volunteer, as most still are in Australia and New Zealand. Ensenada and Tijuana started out as an all volunteer service. With hard work and dedication, the Bombero's and the City could not refuse the incorporation of a Lifeguard Service into there Public Safety Departments. Hats off to those who worked hard to create such great services in those cities. It took years and countless volunteer hours, now, in Tijuana, it is a respectable position with many people still volunteering there time!

Unfortunately, Rosarito is behind the curve, and I'm sure there are a group of dedicated Lifeguards in Rosarito, but with out proper training and equipment it isn't safe for them to effect rescues. They are trying, and to say they aren't is wrong, becuase if they weren't, then there wouldn't be any lifeguards on that beach at all. So please, be supportive of those who are there, because if you make them feel unappreciated or unimportant, it will make it that much harder for there to be a dedicated service.

I met a few of them on the body recovery mission we did a while back near La Mision. Most of their equipment was donated, some of it from there Sister Cities here in the states.

So here is my offer, we want to come down and train those who are interested, but we need help with accomodations, gas, equipment, food. We have some contacts in that service and we will be contacting them in the near future.

For those of you who call Rosarito your home, who invite your families and friends down to enjoy the beach, ask yourself what can you do to help an unfortunate situation.

Please understand, we don't give to those with waiting hands, they have to work hard and earn our trust that they are commited to the cause.

Feel free to contact me at any time.

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[*] posted on 7-8-2009 at 10:55 PM


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So here is my offer, we want to come down and train those who are interested, but we need help with accomodations, gas, equipment, food. We have some contacts in that service and we will be contacting them in the near future.

For those of you who call Rosarito your home, who invite your families and friends down to enjoy the beach, ask yourself what can you do to help an unfortunate situation.

Please understand, we don't give to those with waiting hands, they have to work hard and earn our trust that they are commited to the cause.



People in Bahia Asuncion jumped at this offer and I am sure when they get there, they will be treated as well as they are in Abreojos.

So Whoosh, if you know some of the lifeguards in Rosarito, why not talk with them and other people. Become a part of the program---it sure seems like nothing but a win-win situation.




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Rosarito doesn't take beach safety seriously. You can't shmooze or spoil people into being a dedicated lifeguard- it comes from the heart. Hundreds of young people COMPETE for these positions stateside- not get appointed by a family friend- they earn their jobs.

MPilgrim is speaking very carefully- as anyone in his position would. You can't shame Rosarito into making lifeguarding important. It is very twisted that a town complaining about a lack of beach tourists cares so little for their health and safety once they arrive. You think that would be on the top of their list- not the very bottom.

The one guy they sent didn't become certified as a Master Trainer in one day with a plan to return to Rosarito and share everything he could learn in a day. That is insulting to people like MPilgrim who built their lifeguard skills over many years- not several hours.

Questions for MPilgrim: Did the one guy they send even know how to swim? How much training can the guy really absorb in a day? How long is the training program the other guards are all required to complete- one day? Did he show any interest in getting more training? Would you allow your family to swim here- from a lifeguard saftey perspective? Just curious.


He went through the full 7 day program. 10 hours per day. Completed every event and test.

Going to the beach in Baja is like going to the beach in any other part of the world. It is dangerous, people do drown. Lifeguards or not. Swimming at any beach is at your own risk.

If you look back into the history of lifeguarding, almost all agencies were volunteer, as most still are in Australia and New Zealand. Ensenada and Tijuana started out as an all volunteer service. With hard work and dedication, the Bombero's and the City could not refuse the incorporation of a Lifeguard Service into there Public Safety Departments. Hats off to those who worked hard to create such great services in those cities. It took years and countless volunteer hours, now, in Tijuana, it is a respectable position with many people still volunteering there time!

Unfortunately, Rosarito is behind the curve, and I'm sure there are a group of dedicated Lifeguards in Rosarito, but with out proper training and equipment it isn't safe for them to effect rescues. They are trying, and to say they aren't is wrong, becuase if they weren't, then there wouldn't be any lifeguards on that beach at all. So please, be supportive of those who are there, because if you make them feel unappreciated or unimportant, it will make it that much harder for there to be a dedicated service.

I met a few of them on the body recovery mission we did a while back near La Mision. Most of their equipment was donated, some of it from there Sister Cities here in the states.

So here is my offer, we want to come down and train those who are interested, but we need help with accomodations, gas, equipment, food. We have some contacts in that service and we will be contacting them in the near future.

For those of you who call Rosarito your home, who invite your families and friends down to enjoy the beach, ask yourself what can you do to help an unfortunate situation.

Please understand, we don't give to those with waiting hands, they have to work hard and earn our trust that they are commited to the cause.

Feel free to contact me at any time.

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BRAVO! Glad you are out there. Very glad one guy in Rosarito Beach is fully trained.

Next year I hope they send enough to man the beach and towers. How many trained lifeguards should a beach with 5000 tourists have? What is the correct staffing model (2 mile beach, five towers, seveal quads and waverunner- summer and winter)?

I should think Torres can provide ample accomodations at his empty hotel. I don't know if he has any control over the Bomberos- that may be TJ. The money problem is a problem. No one will donate money or equipment if the Bomberos won't promise to pass it down to the lifeguards. So far they intercept everything (according to the guards anyway).

Nice job- Nothing will happen this summer- but little by little.




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Rosarito doesn't take beach safety seriously. You can't shmooze or spoil people into being a dedicated lifeguard- it comes from the heart. Hundreds of young people COMPETE for these positions stateside- not get appointed by a family friend- they earn their jobs.

MPilgrim is speaking very carefully- as anyone in his position would. You can't shame Rosarito into making lifeguarding important. It is very twisted that a town complaining about a lack of beach tourists cares so little for their health and safety once they arrive. You think that would be on the top of their list- not the very bottom.

The one guy they sent didn't become certified as a Master Trainer in one day with a plan to return to Rosarito and share everything he could learn in a day. That is insulting to people like MPilgrim who built their lifeguard skills over many years- not several hours.

Questions for MPilgrim: Did the one guy they send even know how to swim? How much training can the guy really absorb in a day? How long is the training program the other guards are all required to complete- one day? Did he show any interest in getting more training? Would you allow your family to swim here- from a lifeguard saftey perspective? Just curious.


He went through the full 7 day program. 10 hours per day. Completed every event and test.

Going to the beach in Baja is like going to the beach in any other part of the world. It is dangerous, people do drown. Lifeguards or not. Swimming at any beach is at your own risk.

If you look back into the history of lifeguarding, almost all agencies were volunteer, as most still are in Australia and New Zealand. Ensenada and Tijuana started out as an all volunteer service. With hard work and dedication, the Bombero's and the City could not refuse the incorporation of a Lifeguard Service into there Public Safety Departments. Hats off to those who worked hard to create such great services in those cities. It took years and countless volunteer hours, now, in Tijuana, it is a respectable position with many people still volunteering there time!

Unfortunately, Rosarito is behind the curve, and I'm sure there are a group of dedicated Lifeguards in Rosarito, but with out proper training and equipment it isn't safe for them to effect rescues. They are trying, and to say they aren't is wrong, becuase if they weren't, then there wouldn't be any lifeguards on that beach at all. So please, be supportive of those who are there, because if you make them feel unappreciated or unimportant, it will make it that much harder for there to be a dedicated service.

I met a few of them on the body recovery mission we did a while back near La Mision. Most of their equipment was donated, some of it from there Sister Cities here in the states.

So here is my offer, we want to come down and train those who are interested, but we need help with accomodations, gas, equipment, food. We have some contacts in that service and we will be contacting them in the near future.

For those of you who call Rosarito your home, who invite your families and friends down to enjoy the beach, ask yourself what can you do to help an unfortunate situation.

Please understand, we don't give to those with waiting hands, they have to work hard and earn our trust that they are commited to the cause.

Feel free to contact me at any time.

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Mike Pilgrim
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BRAVO! Glad you are out there. Very glad one guy in Rosarito Beach is fully trained.

Next year I hope they send enough to man the beach and towers. How many trained lifeguards should a beach with 5000 tourists have? What is the correct staffing model (2 mile beach, five towers, seveal quads and waverunner- summer and winter)?

I should think Torres can provide ample accomodations at his empty hotel. I don't know if he has any control over the Bomberos- that may be TJ. The money problem is a problem. No one will donate money or equipment if the Bomberos won't promise to pass it down to the lifeguards. So far they intercept everything (according to the guards anyway).

Nice job- Nothing will happen this summer- but little by little.


There is no exact science to the staffing levels, but with 5 staffed towers and 2 trucks with two people in it,Rosarito could easily handle 5,000 people. Put the quads at the farthest most towers and one at the central tower. But its also a question of where those 5,000 people are, if they are spread out in large groups across the two mile stretch, they would require more staffing, if the are located in a smaller area of the two miles, they dont need as many guards.

But lets not put the cart before the horse, they need to be trained first.

We as the non-profit do not give money directly to the service. We give them the equipment, and we hand that directly to the lifeguards we train. It is up to them to take care of the equipment they are given. Since this is a start up,we would only give buoy and fins, but that may not be until after there second set of training sessions. This biggest thing is them showing us. We train and support, they show us they are taking the next step, weekly training schedules, working with red cross for medical training, we come back with more training and equipment.

We are the vehicle for people like you who want to take an interest and support our programs.

Since it seems like you have taken an interest in this venture, why not be our liason?

Thanks


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[*] posted on 7-9-2009 at 10:04 PM


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So here is my offer, we want to come down and train those who are interested, but we need help with accomodations, gas, equipment, food. We have some contacts in that service and we will be contacting them in the near future.

For those of you who call Rosarito your home, who invite your families and friends down to enjoy the beach, ask yourself what can you do to help an unfortunate situation.

Please understand, we don't give to those with waiting hands, they have to work hard and earn our trust that they are commited to the cause.



People in Bahia Asuncion jumped at this offer and I am sure when they get there, they will be treated as well as they are in Abreojos.

So Whoosh, if you know some of the lifeguards in Rosarito, why not talk with them and other people. Become a part of the program---it sure seems like nothing but a win-win situation.


I'm really excited about working with the group in Bahia Asuncion. I'm glad we met at the shop!


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[*] posted on 7-10-2009 at 08:25 AM


Wow Woooosh
You complain more then my wife!
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