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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Then I guess you were not a Michael Jackson fan? 
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Yeah....I just don't get it. What is with a large portion of humanity that completely disregards the child molestation charges against this guy and
mourns his death as though he was the newest edition of Christ? It gives tacit approval to his misdeeds. How can this be? I really can't begin to
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Whoa--------MJ was not convicted of those charges-----it is just possible that he is innocent, unless you know something that I (and the Court)
doesn't. Everybody that knows him well states that he could not have commited "criminal" acts on children-----it is just not part of who he
is------in that respect he is too child-like himself------you need criminal intent to convict-------none could be proved-------probably "criminally"
never happened. Very strange guy? YES! Criminallly guilty? Probably not, IMO.
-------bottom line, (1) he was found innocent (2) he is dead -----so what is the point of prosecuting & convicting him in our minds
now--------that is what I don't understand. 
By the way, I am NOT a Michael Jackson fan------but I do recognize his incredible talent for music, songwriting, and dancing-------that is how I will
remember him--------and I respect his mourners, and his family.
Just my opinion, of course.
Barry
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it is just possible that he is innocent....he was found innocent
NO!!!!
Prosecution was not possible as all witnesses( Parents and children) were bought off for 50 million. Twice or is my memory bad...I live on earth
"he was found innocent" So you remember a trial???
OJ got away with it too...it doesn't make either one of them innocent.
This ?man? is a scumbag and the worst kind...he could buy his way out of screwing little children.
I will tell you I feel bad...I do feel bad he didn't die 10 years ago.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Then I guess you were not a Michael Jackson fan?
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Yeah....I just don't get it. What is with a large portion of humanity that completely disregards the child molestation charges against this guy and
mourns his death as though he was the newest edition of Christ? It gives tacit approval to his misdeeds. How can this be? I really can't begin to
understand how some set their priorities. |
Whoa--------MJ was not convicted of those charges-----
"it is just possible that he is innocent,"""
unless you know something that I (and the Court) doesn't. Everybody that knows him well states that he could not have commited "criminal" acts on
children-----it is just not part of who he is------in that respect he is too child-like himself------you need criminal intent to convict-------none
could be proved-------probably "criminally" never happened. Very strange guy? YES! Criminallly guilty? Probably not, IMO.
-------bottom line, (1) he was found innocent (2) he is dead -----so what is the point of prosecuting & convicting him in our minds
now--------that is what I don't understand.
By the way, I am NOT a Michael Jackson fan------but I do recognize his incredible talent for music, songwriting, and dancing-------that is how I will
remember him--------and I respect his mourners, and his family.
Just my opinion, of course.
Barry |
it is just possible that he is innocent...he was found innocent
Just my opinion TOO
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Barry A.
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Al G----------My recollection is, Yes, there was a trial--------and the complaint was dismissed, or something like that----I thought he was aquited.
The first time around you are correct in that he "settled" out of court so as to avoid a trial and the embarrassment and financial
consequences------that was years ago. This time there was no "settlement", or any attempt to "settle", as I understand it (but I am sure not
positive.)
I suppose that if you have no faith at all in our "system" then you might dispute that---------I don't know what to say to that.
I personally believe that pedophiles should be jailed, period. I have no "understanding" of their problem--------just get them off the streets. But I
do have faith in our legal system as the best one around-----without it, we have nothing. All states should have "Jessica's law" in effect------
Mistakes do happen within the system--------it is not perfect. I just don't believe this was one of them.
Barry
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Right...He wasn't a pedophile
He just liked to entertain and sleep with 12-year-old boys. Perfectly normal for a man in his 40's.
Feel the love.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
He just liked to entertain and sleep with 12-year-old boys. Perfectly normal for a man in his 40's.
Feel the love. |
There is NOTHING normal about MJ----------and that is surely well known. I used to sleep with my cat---------I don't remember having any exciting
times with it, tho.
Yes, Michael is (was) strange.
Barry
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Strange? STRANGE???
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Yes, Michael is (was) strange.
Barry |
With you, drawing pictures obviously doesn't help. A brick would be better.
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Hey everyone...it says "one of the largest child porn rings broken up" and it extended throughout Canada, US, and Mexico. So who else are they going
to find are in the ring on those computers? The fallout from this could be huge! We may see people we would not likely think are into child porn
suddenly arrested because of links to them from this guy's computers.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Yes, Michael is (was) strange.
Barry |
With you, drawing pictures obviously doesn't help. A brick would be better.
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Wow,
your clarity of mind and insigthfulness is truly amazing----------I am envious!!!! and hope oneday that I too may achieve it without being hit by a
"brick".
In the meantime, I will use the USA laws "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" as my guide.
Barry
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If you ever worked with children that have been victims of these pieces of crap you would want those buying and selling of pictures with these little
children forced into sexual acts put to death. The little ones are so messed up not just physically but mentally. Think these pieces of crap care
about harm to these little ones, think they have age limits, ever heard of a 6 month old baby girl having to be taken to Children's Hospital in San
Diego for reconstructive surgery due to these animals and their acts of destroying their health for possible life? Well, I have seen first hand what
these monsters do to and encourage to be done to children and as the Queen said "Off with their Heads!!!" Believe me if they have that much child
porn on their computer it is not a simple mistake of pulling up the wrong site or being spammed, it is their life and they are participating in acts
against the little ones that depend on "US" "Adults" to protect and save them from these pieces of crap. Most of you have the right angle as to what
awaits this piece of crap in prison and rightly so. His neighbors thinking he was ok and doing no harm to anyone, well this is what these pieces of
crap practice and perfect. Their acting level to deceive all and harm as many little ones as their sick worthless lives can achieve towards our most
precious trusting ones. Sorry about the rant but it is something I have personally seen the damage and harm done for too many years and I have too
many memories of harmed children to last three lifetimes. Later-------------------------- bajafun777
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Barry A.
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Excellent points, BahaFun, and I agree completely--------but it may not apply to Michael Jackson, and that is my ONLY point here.
Jessica's law is only the beginning---------we need more good laws on the books to combat this most horrible of all crimes.
Barry
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I agree with Barry A in that we have probably one of the best legal systems in the world but it is suspected that in our legal system money can
influence the outcome-MJ and OJ our possible examples.
I cannot understand how one can promote the idea of a 45 year old man sleeping with young boys as acceptable. What were the parents thinking?
As for the pedophile, I hope he gets what he deserves if found guilty.
bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
I cannot understand how one can promote the idea of a 45 year old man sleeping with young boys as acceptable. What were the parents thinking?
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Lawsuit. They're probably the ones who should have been put on trial.
I make these assumptions because I can't run my life as a court of law. I can't wait for proof to make decisions. I have to rely on my own
intuition. Not always accurate, I'm sure but, that's the way I have to do it.
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Barry A.
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I agree with both of you, Dennis and Baquito. I also run my life on instinct, to a large part-----have too when that is all that is available and you
need to do something. Since MJ is dead, it really does not matter much what we think, I suppose, but it just bothers me that we sometimes put our
assumptions "out there" for public consumption with no qualifiers, so others may just assume we know what we are talking about. Often we are wrong,
but the consuming public does not know that---or some don't anyway.
I don't know--------it just struck a nerve with me, and I reacted-------just like some of you folks did, I suppose, so I am quilty of what I am
criticizing. 
Botton line: pedophiles of all sorts are despicable, and should be removed from the streets when found guilty----period!!!! (for long periods of
time)
On the original point of this thread-------I agree that this "bust" has horrendous implications in the size and scope of the apparent participants. I
hope many busts are made, with beneficial results for society and the kids.
Sorry to all for sort-of hijacking this thread. I will shut up, for now.
You hear the latest on "global warming"-------------oh, never mind.
Barry
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I am thankful!!!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Wow,
your clarity of mind and insigthfulness is truly amazing----------I am envious!!!!
Barry |
That Jackson is dead.
Not out of spite for those who mistakenly believed his innocence.
But for the benefit of their children.
Got any?
Would you have let them sleep over?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Wow,
your clarity of mind and insigthfulness is truly amazing----------I am envious!!!!
Barry |
That Jackson is dead.
Not out of spite for those who mistakenly believed his innocence.
But for the benefit of their children.
Got any?
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Dave, I have four children, and NO, I would not have "let them sleep over". duhhhhh!!!!! But then I was not into sueing rich folks for alledged
child molesting, as has been pointed out by others. Think about it.
However, I have let my kids spend the night at friends and relatives, and I really do not know exactly what went on there. Paranoid I am not, but I
try not to be foolish as well. My training as a cop keeps me vigilant.
It concerns me that my statements are dismissed, as they seem to be by you, and others---------unless I am not expressing them well, and you don't
understand my points.
Barry
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I just pray that the children involved in this horrific porno ring are somehow found and rescued so that no further harm comes their way.
God be with them; they are going to need that help.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElFaro
We may see people we would not likely think are into child porn suddenly arrested because of links to them from this guy's computers.
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We can only hope they track them all down...
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They are saying that three men tried to get a 6- and 7-year old off the street and into their car in Rosarito today. The father of the kids saw it and
took off after them. He stopped at the Scenic Road toll both and got the Marines stationed there to take up the chase. They arrested the three, two
Americans and a Mexican in a car with California plates.
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any of them have black collars with little white spaces in the front?
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I really didn't want to laugh at that but I did...
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