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Osprey
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U.S. or Mexico = remember, recuerdo
"If you go forth with a fifth on the fourth, you might not go forth on the fifth."
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Woooosh
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I had two mexican cousins over today and they couldn't agree whether it was legal tomorrow or not.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I had two mexican cousins over today and they couldn't agree whether it was legal tomorrow or not. |
Typical Mexico.....everybody just thinks they know the laws but, nobody really does. Just like immigration regulations....the law seems to be
different from town to town.
Waddya gonna do?
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bajamigo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I had two mexican cousins over today and they couldn't agree whether it was legal tomorrow or not. |
Typical Mexico.....everybody just thinks they know the laws but, nobody really does. Just like immigration regulations....the law seems to be
different from town to town.
Waddya gonna do? |
Shocking, when one considers they have such a shining example to the north.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
Shocking, when one considers they have such a shining example to the north. |
The USA / MEX comparison is a pointless refuge for those who have no argument. It's used way too often on this board but, you can do better than
that, Vince. I didn't say it was a flaw in the system.....only a characteristic of it.
By the way.......Next time you're out amongst them, ask how often they look to the US for shining examples. The question, on its own, will be met
with heartfelt revulsion and best not suggested south of the border.
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Dave
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Nonsense
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Typical Mexico.....everybody just thinks they know the laws but, nobody really does. |
Most every Mexican knows the law...every nuance. Most choose to either ignore or manipulate it. Especially when it can be used for one's own
benefit. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Most every Mexican knows the law...every nuance. Most choose to either ignore or manipulate it. Especially when it can be used for one's own
benefit. |
I disagree. MOST Mexicans have no conception of the letter of the law. What they do know from tradition is oppression and under that iron-fist rule,
most everything is illegal untill the proper conditions are met to be approved of ones actions. That goes for guilt and innocence as well.
As Vince refered to above, the shining northern example, decisions are for sale and bought regularly...."To the wealthy go the spoils."
Where Vince got confused was, Mexico has been doing it a lot longer than the USA. So...who is setting the shining example?
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Dave
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I have employees with difficulty reading and writing...
But their knowledge of Mexican labor law is astounding.
And my landlord has minimal education but a doctorate in contract law.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
I have employees with difficulty reading and writing...
But their knowledge of Mexican labor law is astounding.
And my landlord has minimal education but a doctorate in contract law. |
Astounding on the few points that are in place for their protection. That is the stuff of everyday conversation among the employed. That they are
aware of these things is all that keeps employers from screwing them but, not always. Employee grievances are many....you know that and you also know
their scant knowledge of labor laws doesn't qualify them to be para-legals in the field.
As for your land lord........On-line doctorates are available to anyone. Doctorates from Mexican universities are of like quality so, I'm not
impressed with that one either.
My point remains.........There are many who profess to KNOW the law but, few actually do. I wouldn't put my faith in anyone less than a high placed
academic to tell me what's right and what's wrong. I, like most others, am left to rely on the guesswork of so-called experts. Your dish washers
qualify for that.
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For what it is worth, the few Mexican lawyers and accountants that I have had to deal with are, compared to the average expertise of American lawyers
and accountants, absolutely horrifically ignorant of their specific area of licensed expertise. I have never gotten the feeling that any of them have
a genuine interest in their respective fields and spend zero time in current research or in staying current. I get the feeling that these guys simply
say and do what they can get away with to get their fee.
I have had to study and research Mexican tax law myself to get the definitive answers I needed. Then, I wound up educating them with documentation.
What astounded me is their complete lack of shame yet comfort at not knowing what should have been common knowledge to them. Once I asked my Mexican
CPA some basic questions relating to simple capital gains type transactions and he said that he should charge me extra because these questions were
"legal" questions!
There's alot more I can tell you all about incompetence at every level in Mexico that I have personally experienced. It is nothing short of
astounding among government agencies, educated professionals and common laborers. I expect less of common laborers, but from professionals that
charge from $100 to $400 USD per hour, well, they don't exhibit nearly the level of knowledge that they should AND the work ethic and lack of
curiousity of these so called professionals isn't any better than common laborers, actually it's worse, now that I think of it.
My wife keeps telling me to let it go. She keeps reminding me that the reason that I said that I am going to Baja is to get away from the hustle and
bustle of USA city life, and she's right. So, I am letting it go. But, I am not forgetting the grief and the knowledge of the absolute incompetence
at every corner. I am looking foreward to the time I don't have to deal with it anymore. I am almost there. Then I will just pay my monthly utility
bills, fido fees, do my FM3 filings and Secretaria filings myself, fish, drink, and eat in peace.
[Edited on 7-5-2009 by MitchMan]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
I am almost there. Then I will just pay my monthly utility bills, fido fees, do my FM3 filings and Secretaria filings myself, fish, drink, and eat
in peace.
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Try as you will, you'll never completely escape the ineptitude that makes this country "great"....or whatever.
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Well, anyway, it was dry over here both days...............well, I should say the DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS were dry. 
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bajamigo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Most every Mexican knows the law...every nuance. Most choose to either ignore or manipulate it. Especially when it can be used for one's own
benefit. |
I disagree. MOST Mexicans have no conception of the letter of the law. What they do know from tradition is oppression and under that iron-fist rule,
most everything is illegal untill the proper conditions are met to be approved of ones actions. That goes for guilt and innocence as well.
As Vince refered to above, the shining northern example, decisions are for sale and bought regularly...."To the wealthy go the spoils."
Where Vince got confused was, Mexico has been doing it a lot longer than the USA. So...who is setting the shining example? |
Your sophistry notwithstanding, my comment was neither a condemnation of our process (or Mexico's) nor an expression of confusion. I was making the
point, perhaps too subtly, that nobody on either side of the border knows "all the laws." I can't speak to Mexican jurisprudence, but when you
consider that many US laws consume multivolumes to express, very few of us mortals have a chance at solid understanding of all the law. I'm sure it's
the same on this side of the border, probably worse. Of course, since you can divine my thought processes and state of mind from a single sentence,
you may be the exception.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
But their knowledge of Mexican labor law is astounding.
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bajadock
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Ley Seca trip report
Downtown was a bit busy, the beach close to downtown was full of people and Ensenada bay had a few more boats out.
My crew exhausted our XX and Pacifico supply earlier this weekend, so we optimistically added ice to our coolers hoping to add those refreshments.
Success, thanks to the politicians for supporting local businesses and local customers.
I like this independence day celebration spirit
Perfect day on the water earlier and now from my perch on Punta Banda.
[Edited on 7-6-2009 by bajadock]
[Edited on 7-6-2009 by bajadock]
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bajabound2005
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Gotta love Ensenada's mayor!
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
Your sophistry notwithstanding,
Of course, since you can divine my thought processes and state of mind from a single sentence, you may be the exception. |
I'll accept "sophistry" as a compliment as you perhaps, or not, meant it.
As for your abreviated overview of the case in point, you leave me with no other method to keep up than extrapolation. Basic assumption helps as
well.
If you want to be understood, say something understandable that doesn't require a secret code.
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Dave
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Truer words were never spoken
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Try as you will, you'll never completely escape the ineptitude that makes this country "great"....or whatever. |
If you're a gringo living here comfortably.
If you're Mexican...not so much.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Try as you will, you'll never completely escape the ineptitude that makes this country "great"....or whatever. |
If you're a gringo living here comfortably.
If you're Mexican...not so much. |
Explaination please.
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shari
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some stores wouldnt sell beer even yesterday...more did. One place that was a possible under the table sales local...was sold out!!!!!jajaja
good thing I stocked up yesterday for my "1st time voting in mexico" celebration!
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