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k-rico
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I wonder how the election would have turned out if the worldwide (almost) recession did not happen. Tough break for the PAN and the effects are
totally out of their control.
And, hopefully, Calderon will get the message that the price for his war on drugs is too high and he needs to change his tactics. Like Wooosh said, he
jammed a stick into a hornets nest and the results we all know, including the drastic reduction in one Mexico's biggest businesses, tourism.
Looks to me that democracy is alive and well in Mexico. I haven't seen anything about election fraud, there are THREE strong parties offering distinct
options, and the electorate is involved.
I worry about the PRD but it looks like they made a poor showing.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Right now political parties are stuck in the past, they are about the only things that havent changed since 2000. What will it take for them to
change? my guess is that eventually they will understand that caos is not a good thing for them, and a good thing for the country.
Wooosh,
Northern Baja has been in many ways, blessed and cursed by being the first state to win a non PRI governorship. We elected a non PRI governor in 1989,
but did not have the support (in fact the feds back then, probably helped create the crime problem) of the federal goverment. People in the north are
two steps ahead and more from the rest of Mexico when it comes to politics, but they are fed up. Tijuana also is a city where the mayority of the
people are not from the area. Most are from central and southern Mexico and don´t know the Hank or his history in the city. I know for a fact that
locals overwhelmingly did not vote for Hank.
It is clear that everybody understands that things have to change, but the old greedy politicians we have now don´t know anything about actually being
a good public servant. All they see is how to keep their jobs, so they can keep living off the budget. |
I get all that, really. Mexico is a new democracy (but you wouldn't know that to listen to them). It is corrupt by design (thanks to spanish roots)
and resistant to change. It is struggling to get the support of its people (clearly). So just say that. Instead Mexico tries to compete on the same
level as the USA and industrialized world. It gets overly defensive when it can't. I don't have a problem with Mexico taking it's sweet time- as
long as they would stop all the non-stop bravado talk and admit where they are and how far there is left it is to go.
This poor victim thing all the time is nauseating. "Poor Mexico- so far from god- so close to the USA" thing is a hundred years old already- get over
it. Dias died in 1910. Give it a rest. Stuck for a hundred years on stupid is all that means.
They couldn't even convince the people to support Calderon and his anti-narco position. That would have made a statement. The narco supported
governors won. So why do they try to conivice us gringos that everything is fine and they are number one? How can they convince tourists to visit or
investors to invest when their own people hate the government so much?
[Edited on 7-6-2009 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 7-6-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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PAN did quite well over here in Sonora. We have a PAN guv and the heads of Hermosillo and Guaymas were also PAN members. Virtually all the diputado
districts were PAN.
The Sonorans I've talked to are done with PRI forever. They realize it was PRI that allowed the cartels to get so big and this is no time to be
embracing them now. They also feel the economic situation is out of Mexico's control.
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It's true that the PRI/Drugcartel continuum swept the elections on the mainland, but PAN won all the 8 federal districts in Baja. That sets up an
interesting dynamic. I don't know where that will end up. It seems that Baja is moving closer to the way the US thinks, while the rest of Mexico is
regressing.
Like I've said a few times before here, I think the next President of Mexico will be a drug dealer. Mexicans are looking forward to the peace, but it
will be a Pyrrhic victory. With the government of Mexico allied once again with the drug cartels, the relationship with the US will turn cold. Mutual
support will fade. Bilateral commerce will diminish with the chilling of relationships. With a still-sour world economy, it won't be hard for the US
to reduce its trade with Mexico and be more protectionist.
Once again, Mexico will shoot itself in the foot looking for the path of least resistance, instead of doing what is correct and necessary.
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What was old will be new again
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
"These are new times, and the PRI must and will adjust if it is to survive and remain competitive," Dominguez said. "So far, the PRI has shown to be a
active yet respectful opposition party."
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And I would expect this to continue until they regain power. Single party rule is never respectful of opposition. The PRI is living
testament to this maxim. If you need further proof simply look at the current political climate in parts of Central and South America.
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Wooosh said: "The narco supported governors won."
Why do you think they are "narco supported"?
Latest news I could find:
Six of the country’s 31 governorships were also up for election. Preliminary counts showed the PRI was winning governors’ races in the states of
Queretaro, Nuevo Leon, Colima, San Luis Potosi and Campeche, according to the IFE. The PAN was winning in Sonora state.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
"These are new times, and the PRI must and will adjust if it is to survive and remain competitive," Dominguez said. "So far, the PRI has shown to be a
active yet respectful opposition party."
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And I would expect this to continue until they regain power. Single party rule is never respectful of opposition. The PRI is living
testament to this maxim. If you need further proof simply look at the current political climate in parts of Central and South America.
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Single party rule in Mexico? I think the stats I posted about the 2006 elections show that Mexico's government is clearly and almost equally composed
of 3 parties.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Single party rule in Mexico? I think the stats I posted about the 2006 elections show that Mexico's government is clearly and almost equally composed
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2006 is long gone. PRI gained substantially in the latest round of elections. PAN and PRD lost.
As to minority party influence:
All during PRI's reign, there were minority parties. It only took 71 years to kill the dinosaurs.
Think it can't happen again?
Given the results of this election, most Mexicans don't...Or don't care. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
I don't know where that will end up. It seems that Baja is moving closer to the way the US thinks, while the rest of Mexico is regressing.
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THIS is exactly what makes it important to Baja and Nomads. Baja being on a different political page than Mexico City is not good for anything Baja.
No one rewards oppostion in this country. Permits, money, political change- all come from Mexico City. Calderon is in control- but of what?
[Edited on 7-6-2009 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
THIS is exactly what makes it important to Baja and Nomads. Baja being on a different political page than Mexico City is not good for anything Baja.
No one rewards oppostion in this country. Permits, money, political change- all come from Mexico City. Calderon is in control- but of what?
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I wouldn't care if they never improved a thing. What I do care about is tearing up what's there and either not finishing the job or
making it worse.
That's what has happened to the road to Primo Tapia. Now I hear that Torres has finagled a 20mil development bank loan to pave all
of Rosarito's streets.
It doesn't take a vivid imagination to figure out where most of the money will go.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Will somebody please say something intelligent about this election? Haven't seen much yet, except for JESSE.
[Edited on 7-6-2009 by k-rico] |
WHERE'S THE FENCE?
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