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fishbuck
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Turns out there are a few Indians left.
http://www.kumeyaay.info/documentary/
Anyone know of any others?
[Edited on 7-9-2009 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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David K
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Thank you Lee... I look forward to your book being published and want to buy an autographed copy for my Baja library!
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No, beachcrash, if you don't care, why should we? Just make a friend of google and ask it that question if you are really interested. Most of the
women of the Pericu, Guaycura and Cochimis would have no knowledge of modern hygiene and therefore would be, if offered to extanjeros, the kind of
bedmates who might, I shudder to consider, offend (some).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
No, beachcrash, if you don't care, why should we? Just make a friend of google and ask it that question if you are really interested. Most of the
women of the Pericu, Guaycura and Cochimis would have no knowledge of modern hygiene and therefore would be, if offered to extanjeros, the kind of
bedmates who might, I shudder to consider, offend (some). |
A ya bird, what ever you say man. What ever the he11 it is you're trying to say.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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David K, you will have to stand in line on that one and I know where there are seven of us that are ahead of you. That's only who I see regularly
If its not where it is, its where it isn\'t.
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David K
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I sure hope to see BajaLera's book published... I am counting on her son (BajaTripper) to help get it done! (Hear that Steve... the pressure is on!)
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I, too, would be interested. Most books about baja (like nomad posts) are very similar This book appears to be unique.
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Interesting and good reasoning
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Please don't be offended. But why is this at all relevent?
All the indigenous indians from Baja are long gone. Any indians in Baja today are transplants from the mainland.
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For some, the reading of history is not only fascinating, it is a clue as to today. In some ways it is a time machine, but one from which many
stories will emerge---there are very few "facts" in history, and lots of interpretation.
So even if all the players are gone, and in this case they are not, just their cultures, this piece of history deserves to be told again and again
from different historians.
It is a story that many of us learned about beginning with the fairytale 4th grade version of the happy little missions that "civilized" the native
Americans---all good. It was a part of the Columbus "discovered" America much to the benefit of the New World European biased history.
Then when the "others" began to gain a voice in the history of the US and Mexico, different stories were told---the ones of mass disease, slave labor,
and the destruction of cultures. That is not to mention some of the really strange priests and their practices.
But the approach that it sounds like Bajalera is using, is the one that looks at the reality but tries to keep it in the context of the times---not an
easy task. It is extremely difficult for anyone to divorce themselves from the present to look at the past, and highly debated as to if that is
really possible.
I digress, but often a history book tells one more about the person who wrote the book and the time in which it was written than it does about the
event. For example, when Woodrow Wilson wrote in his multi-volume history of the US that not one human being survived the Battle of the Little Big
Horn, it was very informative about who Wilson was, and said little about the historical event.
These are the things that keep many of us reading about the same historical happening over and over again---a chance to see another perspective, think
about it, compare it, and pull from it clues about today.
So, IMHO, it is a story that deserves to be told again and I look very forward to the final product.
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well I for one enjoy reading and learning about this alot,
fish you need to lighten up a bit,
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Bajalera. I agree that it is important to document the past in Baja California, including the history, ethnohistory, and ethnography of the native
populations. I hope you finish the manuscript soon. If you could provide an email (mine is robert1955@axtel.net), I will send you an article I
published several years ago on resistance by the Guaycuros at the time of the transition from Jesuit to Franciscan administration. There is no
question that Miguel del Barco had the best perspectives among the Jesuit accounts on native culture.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by academicanarchist
Bajalera. I agree that it is important to document the past in Baja California, including the history, ethnohistory, and ethnography of the native
populations. I hope you finish the manuscript soon. If you could provide an email (mine is robert1955@axtel.net), I will send you an article I
published several years ago on resistance by the Guaycuros at the time of the transition from Jesuit to Franciscan administration. There is no
question that Miguel del Barco had the best perspectives among the Jesuit accounts on native culture. |
Is your article still available? It sounds REALLY interesting.
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The article was published in a journal in Argentina. I have it in a .pdf format.
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Hello all. I have sent a copy of the article to David Kier in .pdf format. I am sure he would be happy to share it with anybody who might like to read
it.
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Interesting!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by academicanarchist
Hello all. I have sent a copy of the article to David Kier in .pdf format. I am sure he would be happy to share it with anybody who might like to read
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Let me know, and I will see if I can post it here.
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