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David K
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It is the coolest August (so far) here in San Diego that I can remember, as well!
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Since air conditioning Jesse's restaurant would be quite a trick, I'd bet that probably the single most important issue for Baja regarding climate
change would be the sea level. Just read the other day that glaciers appear to be melting at an increased rate. So, those oceanfront lots may just
become part of the ocean. |
At an 'increased rate'? Have they been melting (and not re-freezing elsewhere) at all? The sea lever has been static the past 50 years...
*In-other-words, places that got wet during highest tides are still getting wet ONLY during the highest tides.
One can see the 'sameness' along Bahia Concepcion where the homes, palapas and old road (from the 1950's) at sea level are still at sea level... and
not under sea level.
I would also mention the tidal flats and beach below San Felipe are also no deeper underwater after all these years... but Concepcion is a rock coast
and the excuse about sand buildup keeping the beach above water doesn't apply there.
The sky isn't falling and Nature is more powerful than man... RELAX and don't buy into the hysteria, as it only serves to make has-been politicians
rich and give government more power over you with NO change other than what is natural change. |
You go to your church and I'll go to mine. I have personally witnessed the decline of North American glaciers. To suggest that the runoff just ends up
become new glaciers elsewhere overlooks the fact that there are no reports of glacier building anywhere. If the water enters the sea, it's ultimately
going to raise sea level. I'd be glad to help in an experiment wherein you sit in your tub, full of water, and allow me to dump bags of ice into
it.
[Edited on 8-11-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
blah, blah, blah |
bla, blah, blah,... [big-industry talking points],... blah, blah, blah
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You go to your church and I'll go to mine. I have personally witnessed the decline of North American glaciers. To suggest that the runoff just ends up
become new glaciers elsewhere overlooks the fact that there are no reports of glacier building anywhere. If the water enters the sea, it's ultimately
going to raise sea level. I'd be glad to help in an experiment wherein you sit in your tub, full of water, and allow me to dump bags of ice into
it.
[Edited on 8-11-2009 by Bajahowodd] |
actually, the largest source of sea level rise will be due to thermal expansion of ocean water volume.
the hot air from nomads will be directly responsible for 3 cm of sea level rise
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Bajahowodd
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Front row of tables at The Office in Cabo are doomed!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You go to your church and I'll go to mine. I have personally witnessed the decline of North American glaciers. To suggest that the runoff just ends up
become new glaciers elsewhere overlooks the fact that there are no reports of glacier building anywhere. If the water enters the sea, it's ultimately
going to raise sea level. I'd be glad to help in an experiment wherein you sit in your tub, full of water, and allow me to dump bags of ice into
it.
[Edited on 8-11-2009 by Bajahowodd] |
Au contraire, "-----no reports of glacier building anywhere."????? Reports from the USFS/USGS concerning Mt. Shasta reveal that the substantial
glaciers on that volcano ARE building up over the past few years.
----at least that is what I have read, and heard.
-----but again, it is a cycle which has been going on since the creation, and I doubt that we have much, if anything, to do with it.
Barry
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Taco de Baja
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There is also a net growth of glaciers in Antarctica, in addition to several locals around the world including several others in the USA. Just
because the media ignores this fact does not mean it's not happening.
With "climate change" some areas will get warmer, some colder, some dryer, some wetter. Nothing new. The animals, including us humans, can and do
adapt quite readily.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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tripledigitken
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Pity, but it's getting more and more difficult to stay on that "Man Induced Global Warming Train".
Anyone questioning the validity of that a year ago was accused of being a flat earther, including right here on this forum.
Ken
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Mexitron
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I think Taco de Baja is basically right, although I would also be interested in some models of data which compare humans total output versus naturally
occurring events like volcanos--my cousin said he read a Caltech article which showed that the output of just Krakatoa, which affected earth's climate
for a couple years, was equal to our entire output up to 1926...something like that. If natural events dwarf our own output then I would be inclined
to conclude that our effect is somewhat minimal. Taco--any reports like that you have access to?
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Pescador
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Okay, the Chicken Littles are drinking Kool Aid and are convinced the sky is falling. A couple of recent reports indicate that the sea ice is not
melting as predicted by the naysayers.
http://www.canada.com/technology/chokng+Northwest+Passage+Of...
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http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice extent.htm
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norte
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Ahhh I knew it. David K to the rescue.. Don't need no facts man... just look at the ocean. its the same this year as last year.
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OLIGUACOMOLE
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GOTSAND
Does anyone know where I can get some sandbags????hahah
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Front row of tables at The Office in Cabo are doomed! |
The glaciers in Glacier National Park are clearly shrinking. Measurements and photos show this to be true.
Maybe folks here will wake up to the facts when prices at the Office go even higher due to the loss of that front row
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Barry A.
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Paula------I have not noticed one comment in this thread that claims that climate change is not happening-------we all admit it is.
It is the "cause" that I have problems with.
I was the Bear Management Officer for Glacier Natl. Park in 1968 and 1969, and yes, the Glaciers were considerably larger then------
Climates change, and are constantly doing so--------that's a given. Just look at the Great Salt Lake desert and notice the "bathtub rings" high on
the sides of the surrounding mountains------that represents a huge change, and it happened relatively lately.
A report I just saw the other day stated that many of the oasis in the Sahara Desert were greening up, and expanding, much to the delight of the
inhabitants---------now that is Change we can believe in.
Barry
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OLIGUACOMOLE
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In eight years the water seems to have invaded the most in the last two years. Tides go up and down so I guess we can make a measure from the highest
mean. With the exeption of storms the high tides invade several times per year, flooding the camping area and pushing salt water all the way to our
entrance. Do I think sea level is rising......yes I do.
Maybe someone needs to ask Bertha at Playa Burro what she thinks!
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oxxo
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NASA says that this is the second warmest July on record globally: http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/08/second_warmest...
So if the preponderance of scientists say that global warming, in this case, is caused by green house gases, we should listen to Nomads because they
know better.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
NASA says that this is the second warmest July on record globally: http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/08/second_warmest...
So if the preponderance of scientists say that global warming, in this case, is caused by green house gases, we should listen to Nomads because they
know better. |
So we are now going to predict furure global warming based on one month?
In the same link they also state:
"Here are the same two images, but this time using the July 2005 to July 2009 time period. Note: Many more regions have seen a cooling trend compared
to the longer July 2000-2009 period.
Thusly PROVING that depending on the time period you chose you can get ANY result you want. 
As they say in many parts of the world. "Don't like the weather? Wait a few minutes."
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
So we are now going to predict furure global warming based on one month?
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no. the final authoritative opinion will be from david k, and his "global change research park" established in 1972 on shell island south of san
felipe.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
NASA says that this is the second warmest July on record globally: http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/08/second_warmest...
So if the preponderance of scientists say that global warming, in this case, is caused by green house gases, we should listen to Nomads because they
know better. |
So we are now going to predict furure global warming based on one month?
In the same link they also state:
"Here are the same two images, but this time using the July 2005 to July 2009 time period. Note: Many more regions have seen a cooling trend compared
to the longer July 2000-2009 period.
Thusly PROVING that depending on the time period you chose you can get ANY result you want.
As they say in many parts of the world. "Don't like the weather? Wait a few minutes." |
Another point is that NASA is a government agency, and the government now is controlled by those who wish to have all the power in their hands. Using
the false science of 'man-made climate change' helps them to take away more freedom from private citizens.
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bajalou
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There is difference of opinions regarding cause/effect of this "global Warming" among the scientific community.
But here's a paper regarding sea level changes.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/waterworld.html
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Another point is that NASA is a government agency, and the government now is controlled by those who wish to have all the power in their hands. Using
the false science of 'man-made climate change' helps them to take away more freedom from private citizens. |
aha! a conspiracy theory! of course! i bet you think the moon landing was a giant govt hoax staged in a studio at area 51.
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