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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why do some of you have no problem with guns in the hands of criminals or corrupt government officials... BUT have a cow with ANY posts about guns in
the hands of honest citizens who want their country back?
The Minutemen wouldn't be along the border if:
A) people didn't violate our law and cross illegally into the U.S. or
B) the Border Patrol was able to do their jobs and secure the border.
People who want to live in peace and without fear of attack have the right and duty to protect their families and property with any means to repell
aggression... in Mexico, America, anywhere.
Focus your hate and anger at the LAW BREAKERS... If the law was obeyed, vigilantes in Mexico or Minutemen in America could go back home and enjoy
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dk,
the minutemen have a large proportion of racists/bigots on their roster. minutement are bigotsand nationalists, and generally are thugs that are
unaware of or refuse to acknowledge basic civil rights.
minutement are an embarassment to the US
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i wish Paladin was on TV.
anyone seen it on DVD or HULU?
minutemen are thick in AZ. last time i read it the Constitution allows the populace to keep a trained and armed militia, and the right to BEAR ARMS!!!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why do some of you have no problem with guns in the hands of criminals or corrupt government officials... BUT have a cow with ANY posts about guns in
the hands of honest citizens who want their country back?
The Minutemen wouldn't be along the border if:
A) people didn't violate our law and cross illegally into the U.S. or
B) the Border Patrol was able to do their jobs and secure the border.
People who want to live in peace and without fear of attack have the right and duty to protect their families and property with any means to repell
aggression... in Mexico, America, anywhere.
Focus your hate and anger at the LAW BREAKERS... If the law was obeyed, vigilantes in Mexico or Minutemen in America could go back home and enjoy
life! |
dk,
the minutemen have a large proportion of racists/bigots on their roster. minutement are bigotsand nationalists, and generally are thugs that are
unaware of or refuse to acknowledge basic civil rights.
minutement are an embarassment to the US |
Goat, I was about to say you have come over to the common sense side of the isle after reading your reply to Vagabndo about his blocking faster
traffic by refusing to pull to the right lane!
Then that slipped away with this garbage about volunteers being bigots... You say they have a large proportion of racists. How do you know this?
Does loving one's own country and wanting to preserve it (being a nationalist) make someone bad? Are Americans supposed to let their country go to
hell to be 'fair' to all the violators of our frontier.
The Minutemen telephone the border patrol if they witness an invasion of our territory... How is that phone calling make them 'thugs'?
The Minutemen are an assest by helping the Border Patrol, and do so without pay.
Mexico doesn't allow Americans to stay in Mexico if their laws are violated... and are not Americans living in Mexico a benefit to the economy there?
Sure beats the situation up here where the illegals are a drain on our public resources. Ever go to a hospital Emergency room in Southern California
where by law, all get treated without needing to pay? Oh sure, you and I who are legal will get billed... not the illegals. FREE HEALTH CARE already
exists for anyone who is not an American... so costs go up, up up for us legal types.
If it was white skinned Canadians doing what the Mexicans are to our borders, the Minutemen would still be helping... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
ANYONE'S SKIN COLOR, so drop the race card. It is a citizen's duty to preserve our country, is it not?
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | | If it was white skinned Canadians doing what the Mexicans are to our borders, the Minutemen would still be helping... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
ANYONE'S SKIN COLOR, so drop the race card. It is a citizen's duty to preserve our country, is it not? |
thanks for the best laugh of the day!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
If it was white skinned Canadians doing what the Mexicans are to our borders, the Minutemen would still be helping... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
ANYONE'S SKIN COLOR, so drop the race card. It is a citizen's duty to preserve our country, is it not? |
thanks for the best laugh of the day! |
amazing that people like DK can't see that it is all about class and skin color and culture and language
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ever go to a hospital Emergency room in Southern California where by law, all get treated without needing to pay? Oh sure, you and I who are legal
will get billed... not the illegals. FREE HEALTH CARE already exists for anyone who is not an American... so costs go up, up up for us legal types.
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dk,
it doesn't bother me if people living in poverty get free medical care. i think a wealthy country like USA should provided services, including health
care, for poor people. i am happy that my taxes and perhaps my insurance payments may benefit the poor.
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Bajahowodd
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I think it roots back to innate tribalism. As you point out, especially skin color. And let's not overlook the common heritage of at least initially
coming from Britain. The US is becoming more and more a majority of minorities. White folks who cannot achieve some level of comfort with becoming a
minority among minorities are going to act out. What worries me is that such acting out is likely to become more overt.
[Edited on 10-10-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I think it roots back to innate tribalism. As you point out, especially skin color. And let's not overlook the common heritage of at least initially
coming from Britain. The US is becoming more and more a majority of minorities. White folks who cannot achieve some level of comfort with becoming a
minority among minorities are going to act out. What worries me is that such acting out is likely to become more overt.
[Edited on 10-10-2009 by Bajahowodd] |
Yes, the US republican party every day looks more and more like french conservatives such as Le Pen and Front National. How funny to think that the
GOP is following the french.
[Edited on 10-10-2009 by mtgoat666]
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David K
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You two are scary... No doubt who you voted for... and no doubt the outcome!
No matter, I wish you peace and hope you find that shangra-la where nothing matters the cost, that is, until the receivers out-number the givers.
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Bajahowodd
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Last time I checked, we had a secret ballot in the US. That said, you might wish to check the election results. And you might want to do a little
research into the dramatic shift in the distribution of wealth in the US over the past several years. Don't look now, but while Mexico is steadily
growing a middle class, the middle class in the US continues to grow less affluent. Don't go blaming the poor for that. Blame the 1% who are obscenely
wealthy and care not to share.
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The original poster, Wooosh, entitled his piece "Vigilantes on rise in Mexico". This is really a much different issue than Vigilantes in the United
States; different motivations; different implementation. The main thing that has gotten our Nomad nationalistic vitriol in a hissy fit is the
inference that it would negatively impact San Diego and other border cities.
But I have to fault the readers and responders too, because they have taken that which resonates with their respective ideologies and basically
hijacked the topic. So the topic has become the Minuteman Vigilantes.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
All well and good if the so-called vigilantes reflect your own values and issues. But what happens when they don't? |
Well, when they don't you don't like them or their motivations very well.
The vigilantes on the Mexican side are organized against Cartel Violence, incidents of human rights violations and the wider issue of violence against
the citizenry. The vigilantes on the U.S. side of the border are concerned with poor Mexicans who cross the border illegally, looking for work.
(Ironically, they are retreating en masse back home. Are the Minutemen still out there shaking the sagebrush?) The Minutemen wouldn't dare confront
cartel drug smugglers. They don't have the firepower, the intelligence or the cajones to do so. Besides, that isn't their concern.
Being a Liberal, I don't have to like the concept of Minutemen, but I know they have a right to do what they are doing. They have a right to bear arms
and they have a right to think the way they do. All the better if, in practice, they only serve as lookouts and then call into the Border Patrol when
they have a sighting. As far as I know, they are pretty well disciplined and have not caused any illegal acts of violence that would surely trigger an
international incident.
In conclusion, the Minutemen have my conditional consent. It is also comforting to know that they too are a minority. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Blame the 1% who are obscenely wealthy and care not to share. |
I know it would be nice but, do they have to? I don't think they do.
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The top 1% pay nealy half the taxes!
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Bajahowodd
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Dennis- No they don't. Not legally. But the ever growing disparity makes it a moral issue, and one that threatens the society we have known.
Tony- I note that you used a quote from me to make your point. Just want to go on record that my first post about vigilantes was generic, meant to
apply to any sovereign nation. And it points back to the same issue. People will tolerate vigilantes, even if only tacitly, if they agree with the
cause. The fact that Mexicans would tolerate or even openly support vigilantism versus the cartels, does not erase the fact that any form of
vigilantism ultimately can weaken or undermine a stable democratic form of government.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The top 1% pay nealy half the taxes! |
and still that isn't their fair share...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajahowodd
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DK- Why would you defend obscenely wealthy people? Do you truly believe that that some of that wealth was not appropriated from your pocket?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The top 1% pay nealy half the taxes! |
Oh...I get it now. If they pay half the taxes and still manage to be as filthy rich as they are, maybe they should pay the other half and they would
still be wealthy and everybody else would be better off as well.
I'll bet nobody ever thought of that before.
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I like it! Something akin to Sarah Silverman suggesting that the Pope should sell the Vatican and use the proceeds to eliminate world hunger.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The top 1% pay nealy half the taxes! |
perhaps they should pay more.
progressive taxation is good for all....
It's been said there are only two certainties in life: death and taxes.
Now one of those certainties is under attack from an unlikely source: Warren Buffett. Wednesday, the billionaire founder of the investment firm
Berkshire Hathaway Inc. went to Washington to ask Congress not to cut his taxes. Buffett says the super-rich should be taxed more, not less.
In particular Buffett urged the Senate Finance Committee not to repeal the estate tax. It is scheduled to come up for a vote, perhaps as soon as this
week.
He told the committee that he recently compared how much he pays in taxes in terms of a percentage of his salary to what his employees pay.
Buffett says he pays 18 percent of his salary to the IRS while the rest of his staff pays nearly twice that — 33 percent, a lopsided equation that put
Buffett in a Robin Hood frame of mind.
"Frankly, an economy where my receptionist pays a lot higher tax rate than, than I do does not strike me as a just economy," he told lawmakers.
"I see nothing wrong with those who have been blessed by this society to give a larger portion of their income to the society than somebody that's
working very, very hard to make ends meet," Buffett said.
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Problem is that folks don't seem to care when somone else's ox is being gored. But, if no one is in charge, how do you protect your own ox. It's a
slippery slope. I can't imagine sane and rational people who would not condemn criminal activity. But once the genie gets out of the bottle, how do
you return it?
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