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Originally posted by BajaGringo
"I told them I hope they consider some solar cell farms as well... "
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That said, it would seem to me that Mexico would be more amenable to building large solar projects in its desert regions than is the US. Just look at
all the crap going on regarding proposed projects in the Mojave. |
Agreed. The marine air along the Pacific coast inhibits reaching maximum solar potential. (it is good for wind however!)
Baja does have a few square miles of desert enjoying lots of sunshine so something tells me that they might find someplace acceptable for solar on the
peninsula...
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Nobody really has an answer to your question, Dennis, but we all try.
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Thanks, Barry. I haven't tried to follow the scientific or emotional arguements surrounding this issue over the years and that makes it almost
impossible to catch up. For every new fact, there's a fact to counter it. In this case, ignorance is not bliss; it's frustrating.
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Had the water from the Colorado River not been diverted for various reasons, the mouth which feeds into the Gulf would have been a good location for
Tidal generation. The changeing tides at that point would roar through so loudly that the phenomona was called,"The Bull." [I think that's what it was
called anyway]
http://www.oceanenergycouncil.com/index.php/Tidal-Energy/Tid...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Had the water from the Colorado River not been diverted for various reasons, the mouth which feeds into the Gulf would have been a good location for
Tidal generation. The changeing tides at that point would roar through so loudly that the phenomona was called,"The Bull." [I think that's what it was
called anyway]
http://www.oceanenergycouncil.com/index.php/Tidal-Energy/Tid... |
The words you are thinking of Dennis are 'Tidal Bore'.. It doesn't have anything to do with the Colorado River... It is the fast movement of incoming
high tide... almost races across the flat sand bottom of the upper gulf... where it can move miles as it climbs nearly 30 feet in height pulled by the
moon during new and full phases.
When the Colorado was flowing more and boats could sail up it from the sea, the tidal bore could really cause a problem with navigation. This strong
tidal movement is also noticed between the islands in the center of the gulf.
Edit: I refered to Gene Kelly's "The Baja Catch" which says the tidal bore is the surge of sea water that 'rolls in quickly' (pg. 57) without mention
of the river.
I have read early explorers accounts of the incoming tide against the outflowing Colorado, and the wave that is created... calling that a 'bore' as
well... In that case, Dennis is correct about that effect of the incoming tide... I will continue seeking data on the condition 'tidal bore'.
[Edited on 11-21-2009 by David K]
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From Wikipedia...
Okay... let's correct/ add to what I read in Gene's book...
The phenomenon
Bores occur in relatively few locations worldwide, usually in areas with a large tidal range (typically more than 6 metres (20 ft) between high and
low water), and where incoming tides are funneled into a shallow, narrowing river via a broad bay. The funnel-like shape not only increases the tidal
range, but it can also decrease the duration of the flood tide, down to a point where the flood appears as a sudden increase in the water level. Note
the tidal bore takes place during the flood tide and never during the ebb tide.
A tidal bore may take on various forms, ranging from a single breaking wavefront with a roller — somewhat like a hydraulic jump[1] — to ‘undular
bores’, comprising a smooth wavefront followed by a train of secondary waves (whelps)[2]. Large bores can be particularly dangerous for shipping, but
also present opportunities for river surfing[2].
Two key features of a tidal bore are the intense turbulence and turbulent mixing generated during the bore propagation, as well as its rumble noise.
The visual observations of tidal bores highlight the turbulent nature of the surging waters. The tidal bore induces a strong turbulent mixing in the
estuarine zone, and the effects may be felt along considerable distances. The velocity observations indicate a rapid deceleration of the flow
associated with the passage of the bore as well as large velocity fluctuations [3] [4]. A tidal bore creates a powerful roar that combines the sounds
caused by the turbulence in the bore front and whelps, entrained air bubbles in the bore roller, sediment erosion beneath the bore front and of the
banks, scouring of shoals and bars, and impacts on obstacles. The bore rumble is heard far away because its low frequencies can travel over long
distances. During his expedition in the Qiantang River mouth, Captain Moore heard the first murmur of the tidal bore one hour before it reached his
Pandora ship. The low-frequency sound is a characteristic feature of the advancing roller in which the air bubbles entrapped in the large-scale eddies
are acoustically active and play the dominant role in the rumble sound generation [5].
The word bore derives through Old English from the Old Norse word bára, meaning a wave or swell.
[Edited on 11-21-2009 by David K]
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There's even a Tidal Bore Society!!! http://www.tidalbore.info/
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I will continue seeking data on the condition 'tidal bore'.
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While you're at it, keep your eye out for "The Bull."
Years back, while reading history of that gulf region, I'm sure I came across a reference to The Bull as related to the roar that the rushing water
would make during a tide change. The reference wasn't made by scientists..it was made by the locals.
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Okay Dennis... will do! (insert bull joke here)   
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Goat Droppings
From the Goat Pen:
"mr bile: the sempra baja rumorosa wind project IS being built to primarily export power to US, and as such is being built to take advantage of sale
of power to US utilities and WILL take advanatge of US production tax credit".
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HM !
I guess this is another case of the Liberal "What the Meaning of IS is".
From the Article:
In the Mexican state of Baja California, the government and international corporations WANT to build wind farms that COULD generate enough electricity
to power homes in the United States while boosting the state's economy.............The electricity from these turbines will be used in Baja's capital
city, Mexicali. But Munoz says that's only a fraction of what's possible. Experts say there's enough WIND here to power millions of homes".
"MUNOZ: Here in Baja California we have a surplus of renewable energy POTENTIAL, and we can't consume all that power. Munoz says Mexico would be happy
to fill that gap and earn a profit doing it. It just needs the CAPITAL to make it happen".
A LOT more IF in there than IS.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
From the Goat Pen:
"mr bile: the sempra baja rumorosa wind project IS being built to primarily export power to US, and as such is being built to take advantage of sale
of power to US utilities and WILL take advanatge of US production tax credit".
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HM !
I guess this is another case of the Liberal "What the Meaning of IS is".
From the Article:
In the Mexican state of Baja California, the government and international corporations WANT to build wind farms that COULD generate enough electricity
to power homes in the United States while boosting the state's economy.............The electricity from these turbines will be used in Baja's capital
city, Mexicali. But Munoz says that's only a fraction of what's possible. Experts say there's enough WIND here to power millions of homes".
"MUNOZ: Here in Baja California we have a surplus of renewable energy POTENTIAL, and we can't consume all that power. Munoz says Mexico would be happy
to fill that gap and earn a profit doing it. It just needs the CAPITAL to make it happen".
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these goat droppings don't smell as bad as mrbill's bile
"SAN DIEGO, July 2, 2007 – Sempra Generation, a subsidiary of Sempra Energy (NYSE: SRE), today announced it has signed a 20-year agreement to provide
Southern California Edison with up to 250 megawatts (MW) of wind power generated at the La Rumorosa Wind Power facility under development in Baja
California, Mexico."
mrbile: go do some research on wind power, no one builds wind power for US consumption without taking advantage of US tax credits. if SRE were doing
differently, i would sell my sre stock
[Edited on 11-22-2009 by mtgoat666]
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Here Ya Go, DK
Rising sea levels threaten Caribbean region
The Colombian city of Cartagena is trying to plan ahead as scientists say cities nearer the equator, where temperatures are already higher, are at
greater risk if global warming isn't checked.
High tides recently cut off the Boca Grande section of Cartagena, in Colombia. Scientists say Latin American cities are at higher risk because sea
levels will rise most near the equator. (Capt. Julian Reyna / Colombian Navy / November 21, 2009)
Reporting from Cartagena, Colombia - The effect of climate change is anything but hypothetical to retired Colombian naval officer German Alfonso. Just
ask him about the time his neighborhood in this historic coastal city became an island.
For five years, Alfonso, 74, has watched tides rise higher and higher in the Boca Grande section of Cartagena. This month, tides briefly inundated the
only mainland connection to his neighborhood, a converted sandbar where about 60 high-rise condo and hotel towers have been built in the last decade
or so.
"Before, people thought it a normal phenomenon. But we're becoming more conscious that something is going on," Alfonso said. "If the sea keeps rising,
traffic could just collapse."
According to a recently updated World Bank study on climate change in Latin America, Alfonso and his neighbors have reason to be concerned. Not only
are the effects of global warming more evident in Latin American coastal cities, the report says, but the phenomenon could worsen in coming decades
because sea levels will rise highest near the equator.
Colombian naval Capt. Julian Reyna, a member of a government task force monitoring climate change, said the sea level around Cartagena, renowned for
its Spanish colonial fortifications and beaches, has risen as much as one-eighth of an inch each year over the last decade, an increase that
scientists expect to accelerate in coming years.
According to some scenarios that the authors of the World Bank study say are not that far-fetched, Cartagena and the rest of the Caribbean coastal
zone could see sea levels rising as much as 2 feet, possible more, by the end of the century. Even at the lower end of projections, parts of this city
would be knee-deep in sea water.
One of the authors, climatologist Walter Vergara, cautions that the projections are based on trends and factors that could change, buthe is worried
that Colombia's entire Caribbean coastal zone could see relocations of urban centers. Other Latin and Caribbean cities especially at risk include
Veracruz, Mexico; Georgetown, Guyana; and Guayaquil, Ecuador, he said.
"The projections are based on assumptions generally accepted by the scientific community and do not include the cataclysmic effects of possible
advanced ice melting in the Antarctic or Greenland," said co-author economist John Nash.
Even under the most benign of scenarios, Vergara and other scientists are concerned for Colombia's Cienaga Grande, a mangrove marsh covering hundreds
of square miles whose ecosystem could die because of increased salinity from higher tides. The forests could disappear and thousands of fishermen may
be displaced.
Agriculture in Colombia and other tropical countries is at greater risk than in the United States, Canada and Europe because temperatures are already
relatively high in countries near the equator, and increases will be more damaging to growing conditions, Nash said.
Cartagena's chief city planner, Javier Mouthon, said the local government is aware of what could be in store and is making plans beyond immediate
effects that include a long-term "adaptation process." That includes new roads and relocating city facilities to avoid permanently flooded zones.
Cartagena is already studying the feasibility of building dikes or collection pools and possibly requiring all construction to have foundations 20
inches higher than currently specified.
"We are quite concerned," Mouthon said. "It's a problem that grows year by year."
Colombian Vice President Francisco Santos has begun convening workshops of coastal governors and mayors to hammer home the possible repercussions of
climate change and the need to adjust urban and regional planning accordingly.
Many residents here seem to be only vaguely aware of global warming and its effects. At a new condo tower development called Bahia Grande being built
near Alfonso's house, saleswoman Rocio Buelvas said few prospective buyers raise the issue.
"They see it as a problem only for a couple of months of the year," Buelvas said. "I think it will get better once they fix the drainage."
Kraul is a special correspondent.
Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times
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-------the climate warms, the climate cools---------been doing it for millions of years. Man and beast will just have to deal with it, as he always
has.
If man can only possibly change things by 1 or 2%, even with maximim effort, is it really worth it???
Not to me, but then I don't live on the coast-------that environment is way too fragile and potentially dangerous for me.
Barry
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HM !
"For its wind and solar projects, Sempra Generation will SEEK renewable-energy-supply contracts with major utilities throughout the
southwestern United States and Mexico. The successful acquisition of long-term power contracts is necessary to ensure the development, construction
and operation of such large-scale projects".
"SHOULD Sempra Generation proceed with the development of La Rumorosa, the capital investment for the project is estimated at $400
million".
"This press release contains statements that are not historical fact and constitute forward-looking statements
within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. When the company uses words like believes, expects, anticipates,
intends, plans, estimates or similar expressions, or when the company discusses its strategy or plans, the company is making forward-looking
statements. Forward-looking statements are NOT guarantees of performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions.
Future results may differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are
necessarily based upon various assumptions involving judgments with respect to the future and other risks, including, among others: local, regional,
national and international economic, competitive, political, legislative and regulatory conditions and developments; actions by the California Public
Utilities Commission, the California State Legislature, the California Department of Water Resources, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and
other regulatory bodies in the United States and other countries; capital markets conditions, inflation rates, interest rates and exchange rates;
energy and trading markets, including the timing and extent of changes in commodity prices; the availability of natural gas; weather conditions and
conservation efforts; war and terrorist attacks; business, regulatory, environmental, and legal decisions and requirements; the status of deregulation
of retail natural gas and electricity delivery; the timing and success of business development efforts; the resolution of litigation; and other
uncertainties, all of which are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond the control of the company. These risks and uncertainties are
further discussed in the company's reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that are available through the EDGAR system without
charge at its Web site, www.sec.gov and on the company's Web site, www.sempra.com".
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Sure sounds like a lot of IF there.
Sort of like that Beef(?) Guy who was "Forward-looking" to build Wind-Generation all across the USA. What was that name ? T-Bone Something or other ?
Skeeter said you couldn't bet against that guy.
Oh yeah, T. BOONE P. That turned out to be just so much TP. Blowing in the Wind.
[Edited on 11-22-2009 by MrBillM]
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Now Now Gentlemen and Scared Youngsters/
For your information Facts, not a lot of Bull Puckey!
The problem with the Bats being killed has been solved with the companies making the base of the blades larger __Proven Fact by a bunch of Texas Boys
who beleive in Facts!!
Sweetwater Texas-Largest Wind Power Facility in the World and soon to be larger. {This ole Texas boy was born there}
There are very in serious plans to build wind farms from Sweetwater North to neqar the Candaian Border. This has been spear headed by my old classmate
T. Boone Pickens. With the big drop in Natural Gas prices it has been slowed but don"t worry ole T. Bone is still going strong at 8o years.
I would strongly suggest to the Scientist of so-called Global warming to work on another problem.
Why does a Dog or Cat left by its owners somehow 3 years later find them more that a 1,000 miles away???
Evolution or Supreme Being????
Your Grandchildren are going to make the decesions about so-called Global Warming ==Not You!! You cannot control the future by trying to Scare Peop[le
into beleiving what you may think is true>> Wake Up!!!
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Noee Soul Patch:
Look at what happened to my Generation: We let that Nut Dr. Spock talk us into not spanking our children- Just look at the Little Buggers now- No
respect!
We let those DOPE smokers and "If it feels good, just do it" take over and Just Look
The new generation has no Morals are mostly Whimps who can't fight and some p[eople want to save the Planet for their Kids.??
Sure sounds a little off for this ole Boy!
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I've always suspected that Dr. Spock was the Anti-Christ. Now, I'm sure of it. 
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Personally I blame Dr Spock for everything bad--------it is all his fault!!!! EVERYTHING!!!!! He was a terrorist!!!
What WERE we thinking way back then-------personally we never paid any attention to him, Thank God. Therefore my 4 kids turned out great-----everybody
else's are a mess-------it's all Spock's fault.
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Well, I agree with all of that, Patch.
Well said. We home schooled too, at least for some of the 'grades'.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
"For its wind and solar projects, Sempra Generation will SEEK renewable-energy-supply contracts with major utilities throughout the
southwestern United States and Mexico. The successful acquisition of long-term power contracts is necessary to ensure the development, construction
and operation of such large-scale projects".
"SHOULD Sempra Generation proceed with the development of La Rumorosa, the capital investment for the project is estimated at $400
million".
"This press release contains statements that are not historical fact and constitute forward-looking statements
within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. When the company uses words like believes, expects, anticipates,
intends, plans, estimates or similar expressions, or when the company discusses its strategy or plans, the company is making forward-looking
statements. Forward-looking statements are NOT guarantees of performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions.
Future results may differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are
necessarily based upon various assumptions involving judgments with respect to the future and other risks, including, among others: local, regional,
national and international economic, competitive, political, legislative and regulatory conditions and developments; actions by the California Public
Utilities Commission, the California State Legislature, the California Department of Water Resources, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and
other regulatory bodies in the United States and other countries; capital markets conditions, inflation rates, interest rates and exchange rates;
energy and trading markets, including the timing and extent of changes in commodity prices; the availability of natural gas; weather conditions and
conservation efforts; war and terrorist attacks; business, regulatory, environmental, and legal decisions and requirements; the status of deregulation
of retail natural gas and electricity delivery; the timing and success of business development efforts; the resolution of litigation; and other
uncertainties, all of which are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond the control of the company. These risks and uncertainties are
further discussed in the company's reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that are available through the EDGAR system without
charge at its Web site, www.sec.gov and on the company's Web site, www.sempra.com".
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Sure sounds like a lot of IF there.
Sort of like that Beef(?) Guy who was "Forward-looking" to build Wind-Generation all across the USA. What was that name ? T-Bone Something or other ?
Skeeter said you couldn't bet against that guy.
Oh yeah, T. BOONE P. That turned out to be just so much TP. Blowing in the Wind.
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I don't know if you have ever read a financial statement or press release
from a company before but they all contain a disclaimer with similar language to this. I am surprised they haven't placed windmills next to your
house, all the hot air coming from you would surely be good for a few gigawatts.
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We are having Wind Machines put next to our Houses.1
As Alderman for Timbercreek Village, a Class B Muni, we are in discussions for enacting an Ordiance to allow Wind machines on individual properties.
Guess What: The biggest objections are Sight and Sound!!
The young members in the Village says "Let the Govt. take care of It.
The older members say "Let us try it for Energys Sake.
Sure glad to hear that some of our Youngsters were able to become good Citizens..Hope those few will be able to put thos Crazies back into their
Holes!!
Skeet
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