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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
How long was the plane there? The reason I'm asking is I'm wondering if there are pilots sitting around with nothing to do looking for planes to
steal.
Where do these thieving pilots come from?
Local crop dusters?
How did they know the plane was there?
Local participation?
Look for a local who seems to have struck it rich.
Edited on 12-21-2009 by k-rico] |
Lets get serious here. The guys who stole that Cessna were after a STOL (short takeoff and landing) aircraft that can be used on clandestine
airstrips for drug smuggling. The 210 was probably pressurized (a "P" model) and is highly desired
for long range smuggling operations as they can fly at a higher altitude, longer, safer and faster.
Someone there tipped off the thieves as soon as that Cessna hit the ground.
This is not some local, but an organized criminal group who knows what they are looking for and have the means and motive to execute these thefts. As
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I know it's probably narcos. I bet they would really like a VSTOL.
You say:
"Someone there tipped off the thieves as soon as that Cessna hit the ground."
and then,
"This is not some local"
huh???
The person who tipped off the thieves is the rottenest of them all, and the dumbest, dealing with narcos is high risk and he probably got very little
return for the risk, or maybe not.
[Edited on 12-21-2009 by k-rico]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Every Aircraft that now enters Mesico that legally gets a Flight Plan is subject to many different people at the border knowning where he is headed
and what strip he is going to be.
Just remember that the Cartel boys have been doing this for a long Time.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Every Aircraft that now enters Mesico that legally gets a Flight Plan is subject to many different people at the border knowning where he is headed
and what strip he is going to be.
Just remember that the Cartel boys have been doing this for a long Time. |
Oh, OK. Those people that know about the flight plan, who are they? Who is the flight plan filed with?
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Pompano
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Skeet is right. Every town and village has it's share of druggers. Flight plans are filed with port of entry airfields and destination airfields..at
least they were for us. May have changed these last years that I have not been flying.
Small personal aircraft have been stolen here since they first began to arrive. First one for us was around 1973. The two thieves were killed soon
after take-off.
The plane was a twin Aztec. Like the Centurion, very popular with the drug runners.
A hidden switch valve on the fuel line works wonders.
The criminals never made bail...or 'bailed' out.
[Edited on 12-21-2009 by Pompano]
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k-rico
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I know Skeet is right, so who is the flight plan filed with? He is implying they tipped off the cartel.
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gnukid
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You read the words of Leyzaola the TJ security chief yesterday who said himself, "behind every crime is a corrupt police man."
http://mx.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/091220/latinoamerica/rep_gen_n...
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Santiago
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How difficult and $$ would it be to at least have tracking devices (Lo Jack like) in private aircraft? Do the aircraft insurance companies even
insure these in MX any more? Do you have to get an MX policy like for your car or does a Canadian/American policy cover MX also? Is the frequency of
stolen aircraft very small but it's just that we hear about every one?
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k-rico
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Not only to you need the lo-jack gizmo in the plane, you need the whole ground system or a loitering AWACS to pick up the signal.
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wessongroup
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just take a wheel off and problem solved
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ncampion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Not only to you need the lo-jack gizmo in the plane, you need the whole ground system or a loitering AWACS to pick up the signal.
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How about a hidden SPOT Messenger device on the plane. That's what I do with my boat. Just check the computer and have the police go get the plane
and arrest the criminals.
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tripledigitken
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Will an experienced Baja pilot tell us why you can't/won't disable your plane to prevent this from happening?
Wheel off, fuel cut off, easy off flap/elevator, etc. etc. etc.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Not only to you need the lo-jack gizmo in the plane, you need the whole ground system or a loitering AWACS to pick up the signal.
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How about a hidden SPOT Messenger device on the plane. That's what I do with my boat. Just check the computer and have the police go get the plane
and arrest the criminals.
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Pretty cool, I didn't know about that.
All sorts of apps.
http://www.findmespot.com/en/
[Edited on 12-21-2009 by k-rico]
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LancairDriver
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It isn't clear from the information given here what, if any, precautions were taken to prevent theft. However, flying a 210, a good hauler with decent
speed and one of the most popular theft targets would seem to warrant some effort at protection. All of the many thefts have been well reported, so
the flags were up. I would be surprised to see the insurance company's continue to insure aircraft theft in Mexico.
There are safe ways that are technically illegal under FAA regs.to render an aircraft useless, and some of the pilots have their own methods obviously
not publicised.
I feel the owners pain.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Will an experienced Baja pilot tell us why you can't/won't disable your plane to prevent this from happening?
Wheel off, fuel cut off, easy off flap/elevator, etc. etc. etc. |
thank you
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vandenberg
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Mentioned wheel removal a long time ago. Seems by far the simplest way to disable a plane. Other ones, like hidden fuel shut off switches, could be
forgotten and end up being a danger to the legal pilot/owner/passengers.
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capt. mike
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bummer.
lots of good ways to disable on the ground.
my friends with 210s have them but won't go anymore cause the damage a thief does didling with the disabling features.
one buddy bought an AZtec they won't steal that. his sweet 210 stays home.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Mentioned wheel removal a long time ago. Seems by far the simplest way to disable a plane. Other ones, like hidden fuel shut off switches, could be
forgotten and end up being a danger to the legal pilot/owner/passengers. |
yeah, does seem the simpliest solution.. the rest will all ways be there... who, why, how, when and where ..... just take the "plane" out of the
situation...
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Skeet/Loreto
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There are several different devices being used and improved for use on Small Aircraft just for Mexico.
Some of these devices will not be openly discussed and never will be as the Duggies will then be advised.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
There are several different devices being used and improved for use on Small Aircraft just for Mexico.
Some of these devices will not be openly discussed and never will be as the Duggies will then be advised. |
Yet, they still keep getting stolen?
Mike makes a good point that the thieves mess up the planes tinkering with the devices, so it's not worth the effort.
Don't think I'd fly a 210 down to Baja if I had one!
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Posada-BushPilot
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I used to fly my c206 to Mulege. For security I used a device called a pit bull which is a big cast iron wheel lock they use on cars. I just locked
them onto both main wheels which was a pain in the butt. A thief would have to have a gas powered saw to cut the pit bulls off. Also used a throttle
lock which is a 6in thick steel pipe that locks onto the throttle. When the military left I didn't feel secure taking off knowing that I could get
hijacked by use of force. I ended up selling the aircraft and sure enough the next November a pilot and his family were hijacked by armed theives
from the Serenadad strip.
The military has since returned and there have been no aircraft stolen since.
I had full coverage insurance that covered me in Mexico and I hope the poor guy or gal who lost the 210 is covered. Believe it or not its cheaper to
cover an airplane (personal non business use) than it is a car. Try getting full coverage on a $175k car for under 1200 a year.
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