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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
This doesn't sound like a botched kidnapping attempt. |
| Quote: | Five recent executions in Tijuana, reportedly tied to organized crime, included the death of a teenager who lived in Tijuana and attended a private
school in San Diego.
Jose Labastida, a junior at Mater Dei Catholic High School in Otay Mesa, lived with his family in Tijuana. His family owned the Calimex chain of
grocery stores throughout Mexico.
Precautions had been taken to protect Labastida from becoming a ransom target but on Monday, outside a relative's home in an upscale
neighborhood, more than 50 bullets were fired into a car with Labastida inside.
Thomas Clayton Beecher, President of Mater Dei, said he doesn't know how many of the bullets hit Labastida.
According to news reports in Mexico, the shooting may have been triggered by a botched kidnapping.
The FBI in San Diego monitors kidnappings involving U.S. citizens in Mexico and has seen an important change over the past few years.
"So, you had a lot of kidnappings involving bad guy on bad guy, but that changed and they started targeting innocent civilians," said the FBI's
Darrell Foxworth. "People that were not involved in any criminal activity whatsoever."
The killing was one of five separate murders in Tijuana according to ElUniversal.com.mx.
Among the other killings, a restaurant security guard was shot and killed by men in a passing car in the area of Del Bosque.
A federal police officer told the Spanish-language newspaper that the head of another victim was found in a tunnel next to the Mexicali-Tijuana
Highway. The body has not been recovered.
And while none of the other killings appears to involve tourists, the FBI says everyone should be aware of the problem.
"It's all about just knowing where you're going and paying attention to your surrounding," said Foxworth.
Beecher said Labastida was a great golfer and was hoping to play on the school's team this year. He transferred into Mater Dei last year.
Counselors were on hand at Mater Dei Tuesday to help students cope with the news. Many could not believe the news. "He was funny. he was quiet at
times, but he was a sweetheart," said one student.
A memorial service is planned at the school Wednesday.
Some of the precautions used to protect Labastida included using a different last name than his grandfather who started the grocery stores,
and also using someone else's picture on his facebook page.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Student-Killed-in...
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Nancy- thank you for the valuable update.
Thanks to those posts I learned a new word "Muckracker."
Thanks again Nancy and Gulley all the more reasons to move through TJ as quick as possible while enroute to my casa on the beach. It's to easy to get
caught in the cross fire of something like this. Also after the murder of one of the family in a botched kidnapping attempt last year why didn't the
family just move to the US they realized they had been targeted. The kid who was shot was going to high school in Chula Vista.
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VERY EFFECTIVE
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Some of the precautions used to protect Labastida included using a different last name than his grandfather who started the grocery stores,
and also using someone else's picture on his facebook page.
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and...It saved the family from spending any of its vast fortune.
The good news is that they still have their money. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
This doesn't sound like a botched kidnapping attempt. |
I agree. Not even close to a kidnap attempt. It was an arranged hit- which makes it even more inconceivable the family didn't know it was in harms
way- again.
I had lunch with a TJ insider yesterday who said the boy had a bodyguard nearby who was also killed. It's hard to collect ransom once you spray the
body with dozens of bullets from an AK-47.
Why these uber-rich Mexican families stay in TJ I'll never know- not that they aren't being targeted on the San Diego side too though. No place to
hide I guess.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Get the rich out of town? What sense does that make. The criminals will just start targeting the next level on the economic scale.
This kind of makes tourism a hard sell when the locals, non-combatants by the way, don't want to be there. It deflates the claims that the war is
amongst the cartels.
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Well...
| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
That's why Phoenix is the new kidnapping capital of the world. It's not Americans kidnapping Americans. |
There's no law that Tijuaneros have to move to Phoenix.
I'd suggest Amarillo. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
Still, it seems callous to judge these folks when their child was brutally murdered. It's simply not possible to protect yourself from a large group
of people with machine guns, without living inside a fort and thereby defeating the entire purpose of life and money.
IOW what's the point of being judgmental about this? Does it make people feel superior to call people stupid for being unable to prevent an
assassination? Talk about Monday morning quarterbacking. |
Obviously you don't know the region, or the family. Dave is making a valid point considering the situation up north. The Fimbres are one of the
wealthiest families in Tijuana, a prime target for kidnapping. THEY know they where at risk, so why stay in Tijuana? since most wealthy families left
many years ago to San Diego, or at least, sent their families to San Diego, i can't along with most people that know the area and its people,
understand why they stayed and decided it was ok to let the whole family live and mingle in a city that's full of criminals that just want to take a
shot at you.
I know a few other families that are doing this, and i think its just a matter of time before things go wrong.
Somebody in that family made a desition to stay, and he has a lot of responsability for the outcome. Specially, when you have the money, resources,
etc, to keep your family safe.
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Gotta Agree
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
This doesn't sound like a botched kidnapping attempt. |
I agree. Not even close to a kidnap attempt. It was an arranged hit- which makes it even more inconceivable the family didn't know it was in harms
way- again.
I had lunch with a TJ insider yesterday who said the boy had a bodyguard nearby who was also killed. It's hard to collect ransom once you spray the
body with dozens of bullets from an AK-47.
Why these uber-rich Mexican families stay in TJ I'll never know- not that they aren't being targeted on the San Diego side too though. No place to
hide I guess. |
And it should be noted that the boy's late uncle was apparently killed while resisting a botched robbery attempt. However epidemic kidnappings for
ransom are in Mexico and many other countries around the world, it just seems to me that in this case, it was either random, or retaliation.
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As a person who has lost a child, though not to violence, I empathize with the grief this family must be feeling. My sincere condolences go out to
them.
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I would like to see some people in Tijuana rise up and start cells of vigilante groups that would go around throwing heinous criminals and kidnapper's
bodies over bridges with a rope around their necks just dangling there with a warning message to other kidnappers. That would sure curb some of it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
I would like to see some people in Tijuana rise up and start cells of vigilante groups that would go around throwing heinous criminals and kidnapper's
bodies over bridges with a rope around their necks just dangling there with a warning message to other kidnappers. That would sure curb some of it.
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A 50 Caliber "Neighborhood Watch" program would be nice to see.
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Dennis I would also like to see a few neighborhood watch people with "Bloopers" [Grenade Launchers] for those who never heard the word "Blooper"
before. It makes that sound when fired. "Bloop" "Bloop" "Bloop"
Edit: Making corrections!
[Edited on 1-7-2010 by ELINVESTI8]
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My guess is that the family has paid to find the perps before the cops do. If successful we will never hear anything more about it...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
Still, it seems callous to judge these folks when their child was brutally murdered. It's simply not possible to protect yourself from a large group
of people with machine guns, without living inside a fort and thereby defeating the entire purpose of life and money.
IOW what's the point of being judgmental about this? Does it make people feel superior to call people stupid for being unable to prevent an
assassination? Talk about Monday morning quarterbacking. |
Obviously you don't know the region, or the family. Dave is making a valid point considering the situation up north. The Fimbres are one of the
wealthiest families in Tijuana, a prime target for kidnapping. THEY know they where at risk, so why stay in Tijuana? since most wealthy families left
many years ago to San Diego, or at least, sent their families to San Diego, i can't along with most people that know the area and its people,
understand why they stayed and decided it was ok to let the whole family live and mingle in a city that's full of criminals that just want to take a
shot at you.
I know a few other families that are doing this, and i think its just a matter of time before things go wrong.
Somebody in that family made a desition to stay, and he has a lot of responsability for the outcome. Specially, when you have the money, resources,
etc, to keep your family safe. |
Most have moved to Bonita. Why Hell Arreanos's wife and kids were living there. Still?
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I hope who ever they pay catches them and throws their bodies over bridges with a rope around their necks and leave them dangling there with a warning
message to the other kidnappers.
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Really scary, ELINVESTI8 and I think along the same lines when it comes to "justice"
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From "Killing Pablo" by Mark Bowden
"What was needed was some extralegal muscle, some hands-on players who didn't mind crossing the lines of legality and morality that Pablo so blithely
ignored. The drug boss certainly didn't lack for bitter enemies, but they had no commonality. They ranged from some of the wealthiest and most power
families in Bogota to rival street thugs in Medellin and Cali. What if someone were to give them a push, some organization, some money, some
intelligence, some training, planning, and leadership......?"
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... and how did that work out for Columbia so far?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Vigilantism has a major downside. Lack of control. As frustrating as the situation is, just look to the Taliban in Afghanistan as an example of what
might happen. It's a choice between the devil you know and the devil you don't.
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