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BajaNomad
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January 4, 2009 - I believe this was somewhere near El Socorro, between San Quintin and El Rosario. It's a single cyclist with a pickup running
blocker. Since we'd seen someone else already having done this earlier in the trip (maybe earlier that same day, I've forgotten), I asked Michelle
(co-pilot) to rush and take a picture of this - albeit blurry focus because of the rush to snap the pic.
In the right, or in the wrong.... it's still an unexpected hazard that could easily cause injury to the bicyclist, his blocker, and/or the occupants
of any/all approaching vehicles.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
A 60 year old doctor, eh? Presumably an intelligent, mature, disciplined man.
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The way I heard it was he accelerated past the cyclists then slammed on the brakes.
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Well, in rear-end accidents isn't it the vehicle that does the rear-ending at fault? It usually works that way. Perhaps his brake lights weren't
working.
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"2010 California Vehicle Code
Table of Contents"
I copied and pasted the first page of a manual as titled. It is not called the "motor" vehicle code. That said, the problem described could happen
with any very slow moving vehicle, especially those overloaded pick ups, and lord knows, we have all encountered them on Baja roads. Whether the
bicyclist is a masochist or not, he/ she is entitled to be on the road. After all, most municipalities in the US prohibit the riding of bicycles on
the sidewalk.
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if the hostility and aggression of baja nomads toward bikers is an indication of the hostility/aggtression of the general populace, the bikers are
wise to have blocking cars. perhaps nomads are proof that the blockers are needed.
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David K
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There is no need to ride side by side... just like cars don't drive side by side the same direction on a 2 lane road. Same rules for cars and bikes.
If a car travels so slow and people behind can't pass safely, it should pull off... same is true for bikes. It is called respect and consideration for
others. It is also called safe riding/ driving.
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What changed my mind was a family traveling this time. they put the kids in little trailers behind them. An adventure fine. But putting the kids at
risk?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
if the hostility and aggression of baja nomads toward bikers is an indication of the hostility/aggtression of the general populace, the bikers are
wise to have blocking cars. perhaps nomads are proof that the blockers are needed. |
666 -
Have you ever had a close encounter with a bicyclist and a big semi truck while traveling on baja's Hwy 1? It seems not or you would understand how
dangerous it is for both the cyclist and the vehicles. I personally have almost gone head on with a semi truck because of a bicyclist on Hwy 1. It is
a dangerous game of timing. It just isn't the best place to ride a bicycle. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lauriboats
| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
..it's gotta be the single most dangerous crap on the road..even when they are riding single file...lemme see, when i have a big ol eighteen wheeler
coming at me from the other direction, on a cliff with no shoulder and a couple bikers in between us, who am i gonna take out?....a couple of days
ago, there were two bicyclists here in mulege, both towing trailers with small children in them....one trailer had two tiny toddlers in it...they were
packed to the hilt, headed down hwy 1...cool, huh? |
They stopped at the bar Ana's there was one young boy riding behind the mom and two young boys riding behind the dad. The Dad downed a quart of beer
and then ordered another to go. Hopefully, they planned to stay put on the beach. Looking for the next update from somewhere south, hope they arrive
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OH great---kids riding in flimsy trailers and dad downs a quart of beer-----good one. 
And yes, I am being judgmental---no doubt about it.
[Edited on 1-8-2010 by DianaT]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pacifico
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
if the hostility and aggression of baja nomads toward bikers is an indication of the hostility/aggtression of the general populace, the bikers are
wise to have blocking cars. perhaps nomads are proof that the blockers are needed. |
666 -
Have you ever had a close encounter with a bicyclist and a big semi truck while traveling on baja's Hwy 1? It seems not or you would understand how
dangerous it is for both the cyclist and the vehicles. I personally have almost gone head on with a semi truck because of a bicyclist on Hwy 1. It is
a dangerous game of timing. It just isn't the best place to ride a bicycle.
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i have ridden bikes all my life, so don't need to be told that people in vehicles drive too fast for conditions. you should slow down so you are not
a hazard to other vehicles on the road. 
dk posted a link to the discover baja newsletter -- has a nice travelogue on biking down penninsula. 
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IMHO you have to be nuts to ride a bicycle on the highway in Baja. Get a mountain bike it's much more fun.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lauriboats
| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
..it's gotta be the single most dangerous crap on the road..even when they are riding single file...lemme see, when i have a big ol eighteen wheeler
coming at me from the other direction, on a cliff with no shoulder and a couple bikers in between us, who am i gonna take out?....a couple of days
ago, there were two bicyclists here in mulege, both towing trailers with small children in them....one trailer had two tiny toddlers in it...they were
packed to the hilt, headed down hwy 1...cool, huh? |
They stopped at the bar Ana's there was one young boy riding behind the mom and two young boys riding behind the dad. The Dad downed a quart of beer
and then ordered another to go. Hopefully, they planned to stay put on the beach. Looking for the next update from somewhere south, hope they arrive
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We passed them going south somewhere along the way Dec. 17th. It was my 7, 5 and 3 year old grand kids that went on the most of how STUPID it was
that they were on the hwy like that.
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Agreed!
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
IMHO you have to be nuts to ride a bicycle on the highway in Baja. Get a mountain bike it's much more fun. |
But, in response to DK's post, I want to ask what is the difference between cyclists riding side by side, and some overloaded slow moving pick up? Oh.
That's right. With the cyclists, you have much greater visibility!
 
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Question: Is it even legal to ride bicycles on Baja highways. Anyone know the law on that? Is there a law?
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Those parents should be arrested for reclass (sp?) indangerment! I would NEVER DO THAT WITH MY KIDS AND I'D FIND A COP! Sure, probably wouldn't do
any good but, tying the parents up dealing with it might give them something to think about. IDIOTS! 
Mean people suck!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Question: Is it even legal to ride bicycles on Baja highways. Anyone know the law on that? Is there a law? |
of course it is legal. only a gringo could ask such a question.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pacifico
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
if the hostility and aggression of baja nomads toward bikers is an indication of the hostility/aggtression of the general populace, the bikers are
wise to have blocking cars. perhaps nomads are proof that the blockers are needed. |
666 -
Have you ever had a close encounter with a bicyclist and a big semi truck while traveling on baja's Hwy 1? It seems not or you would understand how
dangerous it is for both the cyclist and the vehicles. I personally have almost gone head on with a semi truck because of a bicyclist on Hwy 1. It is
a dangerous game of timing. It just isn't the best place to ride a bicycle.
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i have ridden bikes all my life, so don't need to be told that people in vehicles drive too fast for conditions. you should slow down so you are not
a hazard to other vehicles on the road.
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You didn't answer my question. It isn't a speed issue; it is a tight road in most places and not safe for bicycles. Granted, some drive too fast for
conditions. But to generalize that everyone does and that is the issue is just plain wrong.
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You know it is just good old plain consideration if you are on a bike or in a slow motorhome! There are not a lot of pull over spots for a 40 ft
coach but when we were traveling slow, had a line behind us and a decent place to pull over was available........we pulled over. Just common
courtesy.
The "I am the most important person here" attitude would exist with those two bicyclist if their butts are on a bike seat or a car seat.
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rts551
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Thats who I was talking about. Crazy. Even the truck drivers were talking about it when we stopped for lunch.
We saw them in the Hills by Santa Rosallitq
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lauriboats
| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
..it's gotta be the single most dangerous crap on the road..even when they are riding single file...lemme see, when i have a big ol eighteen wheeler
coming at me from the other direction, on a cliff with no shoulder and a couple bikers in between us, who am i gonna take out?....a couple of days
ago, there were two bicyclists here in mulege, both towing trailers with small children in them....one trailer had two tiny toddlers in it...they were
packed to the hilt, headed down hwy 1...cool, huh? |
They stopped at the bar Ana's there was one young boy riding behind the mom and two young boys riding behind the dad. The Dad downed a quart of beer
and then ordered another to go. Hopefully, they planned to stay put on the beach. Looking for the next update from somewhere south, hope they arrive
safely. |
OH great---kids riding in flimsy trailers and dad downs a quart of beer-----good one.
And yes, I am being judgmental---no doubt about it.
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Not up on Mexico law, but in California a law applies to ALL vehicles that states if you are holding up more than (I'm guessing here) 5 vehicles, then
you are required to PULL OVER and let them pass. That law has been around for many, many years. Tho it seldom is enforced, it is a citeable
offense, and I have seen it enforced at least once in my long driving life.
I always pull over when I am holding folks up----for 2 reasons-----(1)to not upset others and possibly incur their wrath, and (2) just to exibit
common decency.
To do otherwise, and hold folks up, is reckless endangerment in my book.
Those bicyclists, and the "cover car" are jerks, plain and simple, and may incur the consequences of their thoughless actions, some day.
Barry
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Reclass indangerment is letting your kids eat at McDonalds.
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