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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So more petty crimes like this happening around town.
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Jeeezo....There's one for the Chamber Of Commerce. Armed robbery is considered a "Petty Crime." 
Thanks, Woooosh. I know what you mean.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
I'm wondering if these scumbag A-Holes are people that have been deported back to Mexico from the USA and either refuse to get a job or find it easier
to terrorize people for money? Have any been caught yet? I can only hope they meet a fate worse than death soon! |
The violent deportees are a crime problem in the border region but are certainly nothing new. They don't have papers to work legally in Mexico- so
take to other options. Their biggest crime tools are speaking decent English and knowing most Americans down here are good willed and compassionate
by nature and that makes them vulnerable to criminals who honed their art in prison.
It's still 100% safer here than last year and the year before that. The challenge is how to get tourist to believe it is actually safe enough to
return without censoring any bad news that comes out of Rosarito. A certain level of crime in normal or either side of the border. Many downtown
businesses are closed here now and jobs are few. The locals are hurting and the boarded up clubs in the tourists zone add to the visual blight.
Blight and tourism don't mix.
The "All Clear" siren won't sound until business owners feel it is safe to return to Rosarito... Like Mr. Iggy- who led the local mega-club marketing
efforts. When he another others like him come back- people will know it is safe and profitable to re-open their doors. Then the tourist will start
to trickle back in.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So more petty crimes like this happening around town.
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Jeeezo....There's one for the Chamber Of Commerce. Armed robbery is considered a "Petty Crime."
Thanks, Woooosh. I know what you mean. |
No blood, no foul. Any country that downplays kidnappings to "a temporary loss of freedom for the purpose of robbery" isn't going to take a
carjacking seriously, and they don't. But we all knew that was the case before we moved down here right?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
[No blood, no foul. Any country that downplays kidnappings to "a temporary loss of freedom for the purpose of robbery" isn't going to take a
carjacking seriously, and they don't. But we all knew that was the case before we moved down here right? |
No. Actually, I didn't. I brought with me the North American mindset that laws are to be obeyed and broken laws will be punished. I refuse to give
up that frame of thought just because I live in Mexico.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
[No blood, no foul. Any country that downplays kidnappings to "a temporary loss of freedom for the purpose of robbery" isn't going to take a
carjacking seriously, and they don't. But we all knew that was the case before we moved down here right? |
No. Actually, I didn't. I brought with me the North American mindset that laws are to be obeyed and broken laws will be punished. I refuse to give
up that frame of thought just because I live in Mexico. |
You will be eaten alive with that mindset. IMHO you need to check many of your values and safe driving skill-set at the border. I came down here with
your "Mayberry Baja" attitude six years ago. After two kidnap attempts, one extortion attempt, a truck theft, and two physical assaults (one by a man
in a truck who tried to run me and my dogs over with his truck on the beach while yelling " FU Gringos- go home"). I prevailed in all- but who wants
to go through this BS all the time when we came to enjoy the Baja we loved 30 years ago. No place is the same as our fond memories of youth recall
them to be- on either side of the border. Plan wisely.
Our approach now is to only trust and socialize with fellow property owners. We are friendly with, but socially away from , the transient rental
grifter crowd this close to the border. Baja Sur is very different. You can learn from my experiences or learn on your own. In 50 years of living
stateside I never once had anything bad like the incident above happen to me. Plan carefully.
The Mexican justice system is in its infancy. Courts and the criminal justice system you would recognize in the USA are still a few years away
here... but they are coming. Not many lawyers are trained yet for presenting verbal arguments in front of a court. Right now it is all in writing and
is decided in absence of spectators. Until the coming reforms happen it's all in who you know- not what you did or had done to you.
[Edited on 1-24-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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wessongroup
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Thanks for the reality check Woooosh
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Thanks for the reality check Woooosh |
I'm sure what reality is here in Rosarito right now.
Now there are reports of TWO separate carjacking incidents in Rosarito and crazy Maggie says she has verified some of the story with the police:
"Rosarito Beach Police Department, and I guess you could say we got lucky. We spoke with Officer Jorge Caro, who turns out was the first responding
officer on the scene at the Las Mananitas Restaurant incident. In fact, he was the officer who wrote the initial report. He verified everything, this
did happen. He was also aware of the Rene's incident."
So , if these are true- there was one carjacking of a new SUV from an American at Rene's Mailroom and a second carjacking of an older model truck at
Las Mananitas restaurant in town while the people were taking a noon Spanish lesson... (why would a restaurant allow Spanish lessons during the lunch
rush?)
Anyone know what's going on?
[Edited on 1-26-2010 by Woooosh]
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Dave
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Rush?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
(why would a restaurant allow Spanish lessons during the lunch rush?)
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Im staying away....etc. |
OK, so.....are you Nancy or Fulano?
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This reminds me of the movie "The Three Faces of Eve" 
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Woooosh
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Apparently there is a public meeting scheduled at the Rosarito Beach Hotel on Thursday afternoon with the Mayor and head of the police regarding
this/these incident/s.
Let me save you the trip and half hour of time:
Gringos are not being targeted, these are random crimes of opportunity. The Rosarito Beach Police are doing everything they can to ensure Rosarito
Beach is safe. The Mayor will say "Hey, even my truck was broken into in San Diego at an upscale mall last month."
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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wessongroup
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Must agree, or have been just lucky over the past four months down here.. have never felt like we got even close to someone trying to "do a number" on
us..
We do carry those stun guns, and collapsible batons and travel with two dogs just in case
Not sure at my age and physical condition I would be all to effective with either, but.. I might get lucky, as long as I didn't come to a gun fight
with the above items 
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Must agree, or have been just lucky over the past four months down here.. have never felt like we got even close to someone trying to "do a number" on
us..
We do carry those stun guns, and collapsible batons and travel with two dogs just in case
Not sure at my age and physical condition I would be all to effective with either, but.. I might get lucky, as long as I didn't come to a gun fight
with the above items |
I do need to drop by Home Depot to pick up some of that long-range wasp spray many people keep in their cars for defense. I keep the stun guns at
home- not sure what the legality is. I take a big dog with me everywhere I go, but last year three choc labs were stolen from a truck parked at the
grocery store- so I don't leave them alone for too long. Once scent of food and they will stop barking and lick the perps to death.
[Edited on 1-26-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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BajaGringo
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Remember? It's Taser, whack and shoot...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Must agree, or have been just lucky over the past four months down here.. have never felt like we got even close to someone trying to "do a number" on
us..
We do carry those stun guns, and collapsible batons and travel with two dogs just in case
Not sure at my age and physical condition I would be all to effective with either, but.. I might get lucky, as long as I didn't come to a gun fight
with the above items |
I do need to drop by Home Depot to pick up some of that long-range wasp spray many people keep in their cars for defense. I keep the stun guns at
home- not sure what the legality is. I take a big dog with me everywhere I go, but last year three choc labs were stolen from a truck parked at the
grocery store- so I don't leave them alone for too long. Once scent of food and they will stop barking and lick the perps to death.
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wessongroup
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Had a solider pull mine out and look at it, keep it in the door pouch on my drive side when driving .. he signaled his commander.. he came over
handled it, sparked up, and said ... very good!! and handed it back to the solider and walked away, I said Vaya con Dioss and away I went..
I think they might look at the stun gun as a defensive weapon, or at least that was the way they looked at "me" having one.. they didn't even ask me
to get out of the car, just open the trunk...
Perhaps the next time it will be different..
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Remember? It's Taser, whack and shoot...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Must agree, or have been just lucky over the past four months down here.. have never felt like we got even close to someone trying to "do a number" on
us..
We do carry those stun guns, and collapsible batons and travel with two dogs just in case
Not sure at my age and physical condition I would be all to effective with either, but.. I might get lucky, as long as I didn't come to a gun fight
with the above items |
I do need to drop by Home Depot to pick up some of that long-range wasp spray many people keep in their cars for defense. I keep the stun guns at
home- not sure what the legality is. I take a big dog with me everywhere I go, but last year three choc labs were stolen from a truck parked at the
grocery store- so I don't leave them alone for too long. Once scent of food and they will stop barking and lick the perps to death.
[Edited on 1-26-2010 by Woooosh] |
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A Baja self defense and evasive driving class would be worth the time. Our home plan is: TASER, duct tape, roll them into doggie pool and hope they
don't figure out it's only 4 feet deep. If they come with a gun it's: TASER, shoot them with their own gun, roll back into street. I don't have a
car plan but don't care about damaging the car in getting away. Don't know if I'd have time to use bug spray. Won't carry a machete in the car.
Would probably hit the panic button on the key chain to get attention.
While I'm on this subject - one of the easiest and best security tips I've seen is keeping your car keys with you at all times so you can push the
panic button and sound the cars alarm- even if it's parked in the garage.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
While I'm on this subject - one of the easiest and best security tips I've seen is keeping your car keys with you at all times so you can push the
panic button and sound the cars alarm- even if it's parked in the garage. |
It's been my experience that car alarms down here are largely ignored, especially by car owners.
Excuse me but is that your car alarm?
Yeah, it keeps going off.
Well, would you do something about it?
Why? It'll stop in a few minutes.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
While I'm on this subject - one of the easiest and best security tips I've seen is keeping your car keys with you at all times so you can push the
panic button and sound the cars alarm- even if it's parked in the garage. |
It's been my experience that car alarms down here are largely ignored, especially by car owners.
Excuse me but is that your car alarm?
Yeah, it keeps going off.
Well, would you do something about it?
Why? It'll stop in a few minutes. |
You're probably right but at least people look in the direction of the sound before ignoring it.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
I thought it was "taser, duct tape, build addition" |
From what I have seen on TV- encasing bodies in cement doesn't work well. Isn't Gotti under Yankee stadium or something like that?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Mexicorn
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OMG What would Duane "The Dog" Chapman do in a case like this?
Oh the Humanity!!!!
Join the Rosarito Footprinters and Harry O will place an invisable force field around you that will keep you safe while in Rosarito.
And for the low low price of $49.95 he will throw in a nifty tin star (gold in color) that will allow you to drunk drive through the streets of
Rosarito without being harrassed by those pesky do gooder Rosarito Police Officer's.
This public service anouncement was brought to you by
The Mexicorn
Hi Margie
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
gosh darnM....Sounds like people are going to have to go to town in a caravan.
Torres must have an explaination for the anomaly of behavior.
"Don't let this overreaction stop you tourists from coming down to Rob-Me-Arito. It's the press that's the problem. You'll love it here."
What a snakepit. This isn't even cartel stuff. It's just garbage people doing what they know they can get away with because nobody is allowed to
defend themselves. Defending yourself is against the law. Volunteering to live in this atmosphere should be against the law as well.
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When someone stole my truck in Rosarito Beach with my Nextel phone in it a couple years back, I called my phone and told them I could cut off the
engine by cell phone because it was an electric hybrid. I gave them fifteen minutes to bring it back or I would call the police and stall the truck
where it was. It came back and I didn't have to deal with the police. They never bothered me again.
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You are one creative guy.... good thinking
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